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What a significant fraction of Americans would like for America is a leader , who commands world respect for the people and the nation, lays down law a nd order at home, and more or less rules with integrity, and not back-room deals in selling out the country.

lated him happily without it costing them anything of significance.

basis that he would be easier to play than Hillary Clinton. That interventi on wasn't cheap. Trump is fairly clearly corruptible, and he was active eno ugh in Russia and Easter Europe before he got elected for them to have line s of communication. He may not have wanted to poison anybody before he got booted out, but he's not feeling all that cheerful now.

Foreign agents from Russia use money to interfere. Foreign agents from Chi na use words to meddle.

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Ed Lee
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not killing him and doing it with something that leaves little doubt who is behind sends a much stronger signal

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

I don't see that as very likely, but it is not impossible.

You can trust Putin to tell the truth or to lie according to what is best for his purposes. With Trump, there's the third option of him simply not having a clue what he is saying.

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David Brown

Joe will be an enormous improvement in that respect.

Just kidding.

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John Larkin

You guys are giving too little credits for politicians/actors. They are both smart enough to make people think this way. LOL

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Ed Lee

Why does Larkin complain about the length of off topic threads and then participate in them??? Is he as demented as Trmp?

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Rick C

Lifelong politicians have seldom done anything useful in their lives. Their only skill is dealing and power mongering.

Texas has it close to right:

The Texas Legislature meets in Regular Session for about five months every other year. Regular Sessions begin at noon on the second Tuesday in January of odd numbered years and can last no more than 140 days, ending during the last week of May or the first week of June.

The pay is $600 per month. They have to have real jobs.

Texas has no personal income tax. Not surprising that so many people and companies are moving to Texas.

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John Larkin

Yes, he will.

He's not going to be right all the time. But he has a vastly better appreciation of his own limitations and understanding than Trump, and will listen more to advisors and experts. (Mind you, I've seen green stuff growing under the fridge that has a better appreciation of its limitations than Trump.)

He's not going to tell the truth the whole time. Politicians, especially at the top, can't do that even if they wanted to. But he'll tell the truth most of the time - unlike Trump.

I don't know if Biden will be able to repair a significant amount of the damage done to the USA (and the world) by Trump - or a significant amount of the damage that the country was doing to itself before Trump became president. But at least he is going to try to improve things, rather than trying to make things worse.

The rest of the world wants to go back to having a US president that can be trusted. So far, Biden looks like he qualifies.

That's because you have the political understanding of a doughnut. You should go back to electronics, skiing and cookery - stick to what you know and stop making a fool of yourself in public.

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David Brown

The best thing about Joe is that he can't remember things (or makes up things) and can't suppress himself. He is dumb and candid.

He's actually a placeholder for Harris, our second Affirmative Action president; he's pretty much said that out loud.

Another 10 or 20 trillion in stimulus debt might be enough to Save The World. Well, maybe 30.

He can let Iran and China have their way again. Probably start another war or two.

With luck, the next huge crash will happen on Kamila's watch. Americans tend to blame politicians for whatever happens while they are in office. In this case, it will be mostly deserved.

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John Larkin

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that doesn't mean you want what's good for the US.

He wasn't speaking for the US as whole, but rather commenting on the attitu des of a significant fraction of Americans (who seem to include you).

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e basis that he would be easier to play than Hillary Clinton. That interven tion wasn't cheap. Trump is fairly clearly corruptible, and he was active e nough in Russia and Easter Europe before he got elected for them to have li nes of communication. He may not have wanted to poison anybody before he go t booted out, but he's not feeling all that cheerful now.

ina use words to meddle.

Chinese influencers in Australia have used both money and words. Some of th em have been ejected from Australia for being overly enthusiastic about it.

One Australian senator was forced to resign for taking money from a Chinese contributor. Pity - he was more sensible than most senators, if not as sen sible as he should have been..

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Bill Sloman

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He does not speak for people like me. We don't want a Putin POTUS.

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the basis that he would be easier to play than Hillary Clinton. That interv ention wasn't cheap. Trump is fairly clearly corruptible, and he was active enough in Russia and Easter Europe before he got elected for them to have lines of communication. He may not have wanted to poison anybody before he got booted out, but he's not feeling all that cheerful now.

China use words to meddle.

them have been ejected from Australia for being overly enthusiastic about i t.

And some of them are very active in Internet Newsgroup.

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Ed Lee

That's Trump election propaganda. Biden makes more speech errors than most people - he always has. He's not dumb, even if he isn't a clever as Obama - few people are.

esident; he's pretty much said that out loud.

Unlikely. Karmala Harris is an impressive politician in her own right, but nobody is going to give her anything on the basis of affirmative action.

standing than Trump, and will listen more to advisors and experts. (Mind yo u, I've seen green stuff growing under the fridge that has a better appreci ation of its limitations than Trump.)

at the top, can't do that even if they wanted to. But he'll tell the truth most of the time - unlike Trump.

damage done to the USA (and the world) by Trump - or a significant amount of the damage that the country was doing to itself before Trump became pres ident. But at least he is going to try to improve things, rather than tryin g to make things worse.

rld. Well, maybe 30.

As if John Larkin had an opinion on the subject worth publishing.

ar or two.

Obama and the European Union had managed to bribe Iran to stop building it' s own nuclear bomb. Iran would have preferred to have stayed bribed, but Tr ump preferred to let them keep on developing their bomb. Trump's trade war with China cost the US more than it cost China, and didn't do a thing to di scourage China's expanisionism. Biden would have be remarkably incompetent to do worse.

hould go back to electronics, skiing and cookery - stick to what you know a nd stop making a fool of yourself in public.

Covid-19 is the next huge crash. It happened when Trump was in office, and it was worse in the US than in many other countries, at least in part becau se Trump wasn't willing to take it seriously. Quite a few other advanced in dustrial countries have done as badly, so Trump wasn't uniquely incompetent .

in office. In this case, it will be mostly deserved.

John Larkin's crystal ball needs to go back to the shop for re-calibration.

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Bill Sloman

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Haven't seen anything obvious. Your enthusiasm for seeing the Chinese Commn ist Party as uniformly evil could be seen as a way of discrediting more rea listic criticisms of their more unfortunate policies. It would be more subt le than the usual offerings around here, but that wouldn't make it ineffect ive.

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Bill Sloman

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for common sense risks giving you exactly that.

You often twist and deflame people's expression.

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on the basis that he would be easier to play than Hillary Clinton. That in tervention wasn't cheap. Trump is fairly clearly corruptible, and he was ac tive enough in Russia and Easter Europe before he got elected for them to h ave lines of communication. He may not have wanted to poison anybody before he got booted out, but he's not feeling all that cheerful now.

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OTOH, someone here would support CCP without regard to their suppressions o f freedom and truth. You don't have to be in China to support them. It's more effective from another country.

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Ed Lee

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of freedom and truth. You don't have to be in China to support them. It's more effective from another country.

Pretty much every government suppresses inconvenient truths. The US governm ent is still going after Julian Assange for Wikipedia having released some videos of a US drone machine-gunning a a bunch of civilians and reports on the streets of Irak, which was a war crime they have preferred to remain u nreported.

Australia has finally admitted to a bunch of war crime s by Australian forc es in Afghanistan, and have given up trying to prosecute the reporters who publicised the - top-secret - evidence. They haven't yet given up the prose cution of the whistle-blower who leaked it.

I'm happy to go after the Communist Party of China for their real crimes. I don't share your enthusiasm for blaming them for stuff they probably didn' t do - it taints the pursuit of real crimes, and this might be why you coul d be paid to do it.

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Bill Sloman

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Why is it so difficult for you to understand it? I said he only speak for himself for wanting Putin as POTUS, then you said he speak for me for wanti ng Putin. It's exactly the opposite of what i said. You seems to have pro blem understanding people's post, or you chose to twist it.

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Some of them have been ejected from Australia for being overly enthusiastic about it.

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ns of freedom and truth. You don't have to be in China to support them. It' s more effective from another country.

nment is still going after Julian Assange for Wikipedia having released som e videos of a US drone machine-gunning a a bunch of civilians and reports o n the streets of Irak, which was a war crime they have preferred to remain unreported.

rces in Afghanistan, and have given up trying to prosecute the reporters wh o publicised the - top-secret - evidence. They haven't yet given up the pro secution of the whistle-blower who leaked it.

I don't share your enthusiasm for blaming them for stuff they probably did n't do - it taints the pursuit of real crimes, and this might be why you co uld be paid to do it.

I am blaming them for not letting us to seek the truth. I am not getting p aid for asking for the truth.

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Ed Lee

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The problems is that you say you wouldn't want somebody like Putin as presi dent of the Unite States of America, but you don't seem to understand that the political preferences you express are very likely to deliver just that outcome. The people that didn't like Communists liked Joe MacCarthy, but th ey were unaware that his rabid anti-communism was a cover for something equ ally toxic.

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ernment is still going after Julian Assange for Wikipedia having released s ome videos of a US drone machine-gunning a a bunch of civilians and reports on the streets of Irak, which was a war crime they have preferred to remai n unreported.

orces in Afghanistan, and have given up trying to prosecute the reporters w ho publicised the - top-secret - evidence. They haven't yet given up the pr osecution of the whistle-blower who leaked it.

s. I don't share your enthusiasm for blaming them for stuff they probably d idn't do - it taints the pursuit of real crimes, and this might be why you could be paid to do it.

The blame is more for not admitting all the crimes you imagine that they ha ve committed. Actual truth is rather hard to find, and the people who imagi ne they some kind of privileged access to it are usually misleading themsel ves, not to mention the people to whom they communicate their privileged in sights.

You would say that. And you aren't asking for the truth. You are telling us what you think the truth is, and you don't seem to think all that clearly.

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Bill Sloman

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sident of the Unite States of America, but you don't seem to understand tha t the political preferences you express are very likely to deliver just tha t outcome. The people that didn't like Communists liked J,oe MacCarthy, but they were unaware that his rabid anti-communism was a cover for something equally toxic.

You are forcing words in my mouth. I don't want dictators as President in Russia, China or US and that's my political preferences. You are protectin g everybody from their own evil. Does it occur to you that you might be sp reading it?

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ds. Some of them have been ejected from Australia for being overly enthusia stic about it.

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ssions of freedom and truth. You don't have to be in China to support them. It's more effective from another country.

overnment is still going after Julian Assange for Wikipedia having released some videos of a US drone machine-gunning a a bunch of civilians and repor ts on the streets of Irak, which was a war crime they have preferred to rem ain unreported.

forces in Afghanistan, and have given up trying to prosecute the reporters who publicised the - top-secret - evidence. They haven't yet given up the prosecution of the whistle-blower who leaked it.

mes. I don't share your enthusiasm for blaming them for stuff they probably didn't do - it taints the pursuit of real crimes, and this might be why yo u could be paid to do it.

have committed. Actual truth is rather hard to find, and the people who ima gine they some kind of privileged access to it are usually misleading thems elves, not to mention the people to whom they communicate their privileged insights.

us what you think the truth is, and you don't seem to think all that clearl y.

You are always twisting the fact and truth.

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Ed Lee

On this date in 1989, Ronald Wilson Reagan addressed the American people for the last time as president. In contrast to Donald Trump,

Reagan was leaving in triumph. In 1984, he'd won a second term in an actual -- not a fictional -- landslide, and in 1988 had seen his loyal

vice president succeed him: a third term for "the Gipper," crowed some Reaganites. In his farewell address, Reagan didn't boast about any

of this. He did extol what he viewed as the policy successes of his administration, while deflecting credit to the countrymen themselves.

"And in all of that time I won a nickname, ?The Great Communicator,'" he noted. "But I never thought it was my style or the words I used that

made a difference: It was the content. I wasn't a great communicator, but I communicated great things, and they didn't spring full bloom from

my brow, they came from the heart of a great nation -- from our experience, our wisdom, and our belief in the principles that have guided us

for two centuries."

As he ended his speech, Reagan left us with his vision of America -- one nearly diametrically opposed to what we've heard in the past five years.

"I've spoken of ?the shining city' all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind, it was

a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace;

a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to

anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still."

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Robert Baer

Reagan was showing clear signs of senile dementia by then. Brian Butterwort h had picked up early signs of it when Reagan was running for his second te rm.

Since Reagan was merely an actor playing the part of president (which he di d remarkably convincingly) this didn't really matter - he could still learn his lines and delver them - but it's a bit silly to pay much attention to what he said, particularly when it is was cliche-ridden claptrap (in the te chnical sense of being designed to get the audience to clap).

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