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Many of those Supercharger sites have dozens of charging spots, Kettleman has 40 and Firebaugh has 56. They don't need to be closer than 30 or 40 miles.

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I usually go on 99 anyway, only I-5 at north or south end (into LA). The only SC (if they have CDM) i might use is Merced on 99 or Baker on I-15, if they are competitive with EA and CP, which is around 25c/kWhr.

As usual, you don't get the big picture. Tesla is the 600 lb (~300 kg) gorilla EA is the 200 lb (~100 kg) gorilla in the charging space. I can't find the numbers quickly, but for level 3 charging (DC Fast at 75 kW or higher) there are likely more Tesla charging units than all the other networks combined. The fact that someone is still adding Chademo plugs is not of much value. Tesla and even CCS plugs are being added at much higher rates. With EA out of the Chademo market Leaf owners are competing harder for the remaining plugs.

Cademo is done. Stick a fork in it to see for yourself.

Yes, free SLOW chargers. I found a free Chademo charger of unknown capacity... at the Nissan dealer! The other "Fast" chargers are often only 50 kW. I know that to you it's an oasis in the EV charging desert, but to real EV users that turns a 30 minute charge into an hour and a half lunch. I stopped at a Tesla Supercharger the other day and got 150 kW charging rate!

There are also few free chargers at the higher rates... other than the Nissan dealers.

Nope, Chademo is dead, it just hasn't figured it out... like you.

How do you get numbers from Plugshare? I tried searching on the map and could not find a count. They have good filters, but seem to have dropped a filter for charging speed which they used to have I think. There are still a lot of 50kW Chademo and CCS units around which may be "Fast", but not really fast.

When you say "stations" I think you mean charging units or stalls. Ask Ed what his definition of "FAST" is. He is happy with level 2 charging much of the time. I avoid the 75kW urban Tesla chargers unless I'm looking for a long lunch.

Ed's entire perspective on EVs and charging is based on his own preferences which possibly no one else in the world shares with him. The rest of us want to charge at home for local driving and be able to charge every 3 or 4 hours with time for a bite otherwise. That implies a range in excess of 300 miles, preferably 400 like my Kia. My model X doesn't quite reach that number.

But EA + CP + EC + EG are over 1000 lbs together, using your analogy. Tesla might have 50 to 100 chargers at one site, but how many are actually in use at any time? In my SF, LA and LV routes, there are at least 2x to 3x more CDM sites than Tesla. EA said they will disconnect CDM in new installations. But according to plugshare, the new ones at AtWater and Merced still have CDM, even if they don't, there is EG 6 miles north of Merced and CP 10 miles south.

Plugshare finds charging units according to the filters you set. Check it isn't limiting the search to a single connector type or similar.

Plugshare lists "locations", not stalls which is what is important. So it will count the 4+ CCS stalls the same a the 1 Chademo stall at the various EA locations. It also doesn't filter on charging speed, so the single 50 kW charger at a Royal Farms store counts the same as a 40 stall, 250 kW, V3 Supercharger station. Even a small Supercharger station has 8 stalls.

This is why Tesla is booming and the Leaf is dying off. Sales peaked in 2014 and has been dropping since. This year may bump up from last year but the trend is obvious. Nissan needs a new EV desperately. Tesla sells more model X units than Nissan sells Leaf. Hmmm. The year the model X came into production is when Leaf sales started dropping off. A coincidence? I wonder!

They do for Ed. He only has about 40 miles of range, so any side trips means he has to stop at a level 2 or level 1 charger and figure out what to do while he waits. That's no exaggeration, he has posted about it.

That's just history. From Madera (between Merced and Fresno) to Bakersfield, i live (or drive) on CalTran alone. I usually FC to 70% in 30 minutes, sometimes top it off at the Taco Bell or Target L2, to eat or discharge myself.

You literally never grasp the point of the discussion. It doesn't matter if they disconnect the Chademo connectors or not. They are building dozens of new level 3 charging units per day in the US alone and very few of them have a Chademo connector, approximately zero.

Does Nissan make an adapter from Tesla to Chandemo?

You are making my point. That is a couple hour drive or so? Most EV owners charge at home and make the round trip without charging much less stopping six times!!! Then they plug in at home and are ready to run the same trip the next day. In my model X with 6% loss of range I would need to keep an eye on the projected range and might need to stop and charge for 5 minutes to have a 15% buffer when reaching home. A 250 mile trip is pushing it below 10% when rolling into the driveway. I also like the food at the last Supercharger stop. Mojarra Frito is great!

If someone produces a smaller EV with a 300 mile range in the next year or two I will likely buy one for use here.

I just told you at least two of the new stations they are building have ChaDeMo, there are more in many areas. So, it's not approx. zero. Watch what they do, not what they say.

No, Tesla make ChaDeMo to their connectors, in order to use the FREE FAST chargers.

YES! That was my point. Two new stations and a few others IS approximately zero when compared to the other chargers being built.

Yeah, that was from the early days when the number of Superchargers would not get you to as much of the country as you might like. Now you can even get through North and South Dakota on Superchargers.

I know it hurts you to think of Chademo going away, but it's true. I'm interested in finding out when Nissan will sell a Leaf with a different connector. It can't be too much longer.

Here, read about it from a year ago. The Ariya is selling in Japan with the Chademo connector, then in US and EU it will be CCS. Leaf is not far behind.

Here is a quote summing up the issue with comparing Chademo charging to Tesla Supercharging.

"Thanks to Electrify America and others, many of those connectors are 150 kw, and some of them are 350 kw. On the other hand, most of the CHAdeMO connectors are 50 kw, with some 24-kw chargers included in the totals. Stations allowing 100-kw CHAdeMO charging—which the Leaf Plus can take advantage of—are sparse and scattered, across the U.S., although Petro-Canada has a cross-country network up north."

Then they go on to analyze the overall issue of which connector.

"Tesla beats both of the standards in a tally of charging connectors. And while its number of charging-station locations is far less than that of the other standards, the ability of its vehicles to use one or both of the other standards, depending on the model and the adapter—and with Tesla connectors offered at some non-Tesla chargers—makes them above and beyond the most flexible when it comes to fast-charging."

The idea that Tesla using CCS2 in the EU has anything to do with the matter is a mistake. In the US it is CCS, so not compatible anyway. This will likely end up a right hand drive vs. left hand drive with one dominating in each part of the world. No one in the US cares what connector they use in the EU and vice versa.

You are just making me work. Here are 6 more "grey (coming soon)" EA stations with CDM.

1879 Holmes, Livermore 211 De Anza, San Mateo 2855 Stevens Creek, San Jose 1919 Davis, San Leandro 1499 E 14th, San Leandro 600 Patterson, Pleasant Hill

Yup, old news. Going forward EA has said "No mas!" to Chademo. Compare your six to Tesla's hundreds.

This is what you do every time. You insist the scraps of data you dredge up are relevant when they are insignificant. You NEVER look at the whole picture, only the parts that make you happy.

You also never trim a post.

I had it originally set for everything checked, which is what you get when you just look at the map with no filters at:

When I set a "temporary" filter for Free EV Charging Stations, the URL changes to: Both settings show absurdly low numbers in the lower right corner of the screen under "Charging Locations".

When I zoom in and out with or without filters, the number changes, which indicates that it's NOT providing the total number of charging locations, but rather (my guess) the number of charging stations that are visible on the map.

I couldn't find another web site that offered a map or list of free charging stations. Do you know of another web site? I would like to see one that has 160,000 free charging stations listed.

I've rather lost track of what is being argued here. Your link on my browser opens about 740 stations in the US and Canada (or the largest zoom I could get). Plugshare does not count charging units/stalls.

If I start fresh and select only Tesla Superchargers it says 505 found. If I add CCS stations it says 249 found. I don't see nearly enough stations in Florida so I zoom in on the south east and the number is 248 with many more units in the new zoomed in area. I think the tool is only counting what it displays and does not display every station when there are LOTS of them. So not a good tool for counting chargers perhaps.

Also, each of these tools require users to update the data. That may not be a significant problem since they don't get built so fast no one knows they are there. lol

They actually were still around until about 10 years ago, somehow. After the microcode lawsuit where it was determined that firware or ROMs could be copywrighted, the went to to make pocket bibles and dictionaries.

VTC still made Laser 128 sort-of-apple clones after Franklin was forced to stop. Their firmware was somehow just broken enough to not be a direct copy with just apple replaced with franklin in the boot up screen.