Electric Vehicle Seminar - Sydney

For those interested in such things:

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  1. Electric vehicles: Cars of the future? EnergyAustralia invites you to this free public forum and Open Day, hosted by guest speaker, Top Gear editorial producer and former motoring editor of the Sydney Morning Herald, Joshua Dowling. Topics to be covered include: ? The challenges and advantages facing electric vehicles ? The differences between electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles There will also be a display of electric and hybrid vehicles and an EnergyAustralia representative will be discussing the potential impact of electric vehicles on the electricity network. Time: 10am to 2pm Date: Sunday 26 April Venue: Energy Efficiency Centre, Homebush Business Village Unit 12/11-21, Underwood Road, Homebush For more information or to register your interest, visit
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David L. Jones
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NO.

Graham

Reply to
Eeyore

What then?

Mark

Reply to
Mark Kelepouris

So you do not follow the CSIRO vision where your roof is covered in plastic upon which is printed a solar panel charging up your electric car batteries?

Reply to
terryc

And of course your car could be covered with them as well. What's also missing atm however are suitable batteries.

MrT.

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Mr.T

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:10:12 +0100, Eeyore put finger to keyboard and composed:

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"Tesla Motors' first production vehicle, the Tesla Roadster, is an all-electric sports car. According to test results from an EPA certified laboratory, the car has a range of 221 miles (356 km). The company and reviewers state that the Tesla Roadster accelerates from zero to 60 mph (100 km/h) in less than four seconds, and has a top speed of 125 mph (201 km/h) (limited for safety). The cost of powering the vehicle is estimated at US$0.02 per mile."

- Franc Zabkar

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Reply to
Franc Zabkar

Yep, great choice, lead acid or expensive flights of fancy for impulse power.

Reply to
terryc

And if you have a spare $130K you can have one. Most of the cost is the batteries.

Reply to
Mauried

PHEVs perhaps but the 40% efficient auto diesel is on the way. Plus it can provide spare heat for cabin heating 'for free' in the important European, Japanese and N American markets.

Sea going diesels with co-gen are right up in the 70% efficiency category now which is at least twice as good as the efficiency of GENERATING electricity for the grid, never mind the losses in battery storage etc.

Graham

Reply to
Eeyore

A totally loony idea. The sun shines when the car isn't there. Besides, few roofs are properly inclined for good generation and the efficiency of solar panels is a sad joke.

~ 15% for expensive silicon crystal types and ~ 7% for thin film whose durability is unknown. Don't believe newspaper articles, read the science.

Graham

Reply to
Eeyore

Silicon isn't flexible. So you can can have a crahworthy deficient 'box' vehicle you can mount PV panels on or get real.

I suggest you look at insolation maps and the futile amount of energy you'd harvest too. It's BONKERS, expensive and plain ridiculous.

Graham

Reply to
Eeyore

Lead acid batteries weight a collosal amount for the energy they store. And you have to drag that weight around. They also don't last very long.

Graham

Reply to
Eeyore

An $80,000 2 seater millionaire's toy. Not viable for normal people.

Graham

Reply to
Eeyore

That's the killer, plus the cost of replacing them.

Graham

Reply to
Eeyore

Thanks, but I don't need a phallic replacement toy. An electric 2 seater ute is more my need.

Reply to
terryc

"Franc Zabkar"

** Top Gear did a tests with that car and found it to be a piece of crap.

When driven like a sports car, the batteries lasted only minutes.

The quoted range is only possible on flat roads at bicycle speeds.

Re-charging needs a 3 phase power supply.

Replacing the cells every few years means the running cost is about $500 per week.

Rich prick's silly toy - at best.

.... Phil

Reply to
Phil Allison

I suspect there would be a reasonable market size where the car is there; retired, house parent, home office, houses now professional offices, etc.

The argument was futuristic, a cheap coating applied over a mass area was cheaper than the high efficent PV over a small area.

Of course, no one is willing to discuss futuristic improvements in PV.

Reply to
terryc

blink, how is your foot? No battery lasts long if you abuse it, but LA batteries properly used can be ancient.

The real problem is that they are so ubiquitous and installed in inappropriate application.

OTOH, modern batteries are basically flash in the pans.

Reply to
terryc

How much energy per day can be captured from the surface of a car? Incident sunlight at midday is in round figures about 1kW per square metre, but of course solar cells are not 100% efficient. Indeed, they're nowhere near.

Sylvia.

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Sylvia Else

Mostly marketing of course.

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Dave.

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David L. Jones

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