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Nice metaphors. Meaningless and wrong, but nice anyway.

Nonsense. Taxes on businesses kill growth, which strangles the economy. If you want to compete in the world, drop *ALL* taxes on business. There wouldn't be enough people to fill all the jobs.

But if you want to eliminate welfare (both the street corner bum type and the corn growing type), I'm all for it.

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That is true, mainly because the conservatives have never truely been in power. The only way to limit government has been to redirect spending. The government will *never* reduce spending.

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krw

That's inherent in the beast: governments can't make things, people do, so governments have to live off their hosts, off the people. That's why least is best.

Our government has become so large it's its own entity, complete with its own special interest groups.

Politicians want to be re-elected. Their interest is in spreading money as widely possible, gleaning votes. Inefficiency is a virtue--the more hands involved, the more people are pleased, the better the election returns.

Civil servants have their own pension / medical plans, and a union. Their chief interest is in perpetuating their own jobs.

Neither have but the barest incentive to be innovative, effective, or frugal.

In fact you're safer doing nothing--or even better, bashing the other guy--than doing anything; the incentive is to inaction, as actions can be criticized, programs can fail.

(Of course government programs never fail, they just need more funding.)

If any problems crop up blame the other guy.

Cheers, James Arthur

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James Arthur

Trash-talking? There was a huge mania, a bubble, ripe for bursting. That was real, and not Bush's fault.

Acknowledging and addressing that is what Bill should've been doing rather than taking credit for it.

Steve Ballmer and Greenspan were hip. Everyone was. I was screaming it to the rafters a year before it happened.

Cheers, James Arthur

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James Arthur

"Clinton's" taxes and policies were still in effect when revenues plummeted in 2001.

So, they don't explain the "prosperity."

It was a bubble. Not sustainable, and not real.

Cheers, James Arthur

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James Arthur

Actually, AIUI we produce more manufactured goods than ever. It's the jobs we've been paring.

Small wonder, really: burden employers and they cut employees. Build robots. Or leave.

Which makes them evil, to the guys inventing the burdens.

Cheers, James Arthur

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James Arthur

Certainly true of this administration.

The Republicans have been funding both their and their opponents priorities.

Alarmingly, though, as GWB's team has gushed gold on their priorities, their Democratic critic's retort has been that it wasn't enough.

Best, James Arthur

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James Arthur

Groan. Punctuation corrected.

James

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James Arthur

I only spell check for audiences that matter.

John

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John Larkin

Actually it was reported on the news tonight that jobs are coming _back_ to the US due to the dollar falling.

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I'm a notorious two-fat-finger typist... I tend to transliterate. So I always spell check postings _and_ E-mail.

Agent's spell checker can be set to automatically check spelling when you hit post.

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Jim Thompson

Your 106% is completely bogus so what you conclude based on it isn't likely to be worth much. A great deal of government spending is productive.

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MooseFET

Any money that is left when the rapture happens will just go to waste.

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MooseFET

Thats is easy. The U3 has been redefine just about every time an election is near to make it look better. :)

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MooseFET

Please provide the actual numbers. The Bush tax cuts caused the income from taxes to decrease as did Reagans. In both cases the debt exploded.

The Kennedy tax cuts had many other changes in with them.

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MooseFET

You are wrong in your claim about taxes on businesses. Like I said it is the nonproductive spending. The money for the nonproductive spending either comes from the funds that could be used for investment, the money the customers could be spending or the money that the business could be investing. All slow growth.

The jobs would still go to the lowest cost labor market. This means that even with not taxes on business they would go to China etc if you don't have tariffs to make importing expensive or allow your standard of living to fall to that off the lowest nation.

Unfortunately we don't like to trip over dead bodies in the street so we are stuck with paying those who can't support them selves.

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MooseFET

There is a world of difference between a real conservative and a neocon. The neocons believe that you can eat all the cake and ice- cream you want and never get fat. The real conservatives would be raising taxes when the economy is doing well to pay down some of the debt.

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MooseFET

You are incorrect. The government is merely us acting together. Since we can make things acting together, the government can make things. They make things like roads and bridges and dams. These are all much too big for just one person to make but together we can do it.

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MooseFET

snipped-for-privacy@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@manx.misty.com:

the socialists create the wasteful spending,the conservatives don't have the political muscle to get rid of them once created,and get blamed by the socialists for the spending and the negative effects on the economy.

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There were excesses. There would have been a smaller down turn if it wasn't for Bush's trash talk.

The part that would have happened anyway wasn't his, but running around like chicken little is like yelling fire in a theater when it is crowded. In an empty theater it is OK because there is no risk of people trampling each other.

He had a republican congress to contend with.

Not everyone was screaming it to the rafters. Only those who we should blame for making it worse by trash talking it were. Please feel free to add more to the list of those who were trash talking it.

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MooseFET

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