Drill Now for oil

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(1) No "solution" will be quick (2) We need to NOT be dependent on the middle-East (3) We should start drilling for our own oil (4) We should declare restrictions on "spot" market trading on this oil, like pre-Clinton, maybe even not allow it at all (5) Sell to no one but the US (6) Get a life, we will never be completely "renewable" (7) Nuke, nuke, nuke... power, and war if necessary ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Start? We are drilling like crazy already. There is a shortage of drilling rigs and crews RIGHT NOW.

Leftist weenie talk.

You mean export no oil? Pretty much the case already, except for some Alaskan oil exported to the Far East. (Good luck stopping Exxon)

Rightist weenie talk.

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Richard Henry

"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

At least until they're more democratic, yes. However, strictly speaking, being dependent on the middle-East is largely due to our desire for *cheap* oil: If you look at this chart,

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of where the U.S.'s oil comes from, if we dropped all the "unfriendly" countries, our has prices would, what... double? That would be a *major* hit to most people's pocketbooks for gasoline, but not that much worse than what some other countries already pay for gasoline. Life would go on, the economy could suffer mightily, but we could work things so that everyone would still have a roof over their heads and food on the table.

It's the usual case of how many of our ideals get muted or outright discarded if the price is cheap enough.

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Joel Koltner

Still stuck on that lie?

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krw

^^^^ before

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krw

How do you think banks make money (create wealth)? They invest the same money over, and over, and... The whole banking mess is because the lenders (not the banks) lent the same money too many times (up to 30x, AIUI).

Certainly and a lot more things that that shouldn't be spent on at all.

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krw

The term "neocon" has been so misused over the past decade that it has lost all meaning.

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krw

Some people would choose a quick and painless death over years of internment who no forseeable end in sight.

I agree that things have been improving greatly and that there does seem to be an effort by Jim's leftist-weenies to not report "success" in Iraq as much failures, but even so I don't expect we'll be out of Iraq sooner than, say,

2010 at the earliest.

But I'd love to be proven wrong here.

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Al Qaeda has certainly been surpressed, but due to their organizational structure they're never going to be completely gone, or at least not in the next few decades. (It's just like the nutcases in the Ku Klux Klan or Aryan Nation -- those idiots are always going to be around, despite having so little power today as to be pathetic...)

---Joel

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Joel Koltner

How many were even captured in Iraq?

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krw

What do you think the price of gasoline will go to if Obama is elected?

I really don't care. Working at home, I have a 4-year-old car with

23,000 miles on it, and an 8-year-old truck with 20,000 miles.

Let gas go to $10/gallon.

The economy will tank and, born-out historically, consulting will boom!

Make my day... kick a leftist weenie's ass ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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The economy is already tanking... note the stock market plunge.

It's not gas-price driven.

It's the realization hitting the market that Obama leads McCain in the polls.

Make my day... kick a leftist weenie's ass ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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I was yanking your chain a little there, but you really did seem to come off as suggesting that treating prisoners poorly though, e.g., harsh interrogation techniques, random beatings, etc. would discourage others from attacking us. I'm sorry if I read what you wrote in the wrong context.

Our standard of living today is already not quite as good as it was in our parents' generation. Do you think it's going to skyrocket up any time soon? Given what the price of housing and energy have done vs. peoples' incomes, I very much doubt it.

Good point.

In general, yes.

I know, and it's horrible -- all the more reason to finish the war ASAP.

I'll admit to getting much of my knowledge here from Hollywood movies (obviously not a great source), but my recollection was that the Soviets were just as scarred that were we going to do something insane and nuke them as we were of them; it wasn't a power struggle at all but a lot of miscommunication between two very nervous regimes.

Given that (I believe) you lived through it I'll give your input a lot of weight though.

The military has always led the way in non-discriminatory entrance requirements? :-)

Carter's a good guy but was a lousy president. A for effort, D for performance. (Not F because I'm sure it could have been worse!)

Sure, but we don't necessarily need *all* of them.

Just my fiscally conservative gut feel. I don't read nearly enough military news to be able to claim that "this program here doesn't really need funding" though.

---Joel

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Joel Koltner

Al Gore uses precisely that argument in his first book, "Earth in the Balance." He successfully demonstrates that other "greener" countries have created millions of dollars of jobs creating green technology and what-not, but just as with the boy who breaks the window pane, from there it's difficult to argue that overall the economy is better off because it's impossible to what those monies otherwise would have been used for.

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Joel Koltner

Thank you for that insight.

John

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John Larkin

The Permian Basin is ramping up again. There is a new show on teevee called "Black Gold."

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_Speculators Fixing Oil Prices? Don=92t Bet On It_, by Robert Murphy

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_The Oil Follies_, by William L. Anderson

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Simon S Aysdie

"Joel Koltner" wrote in news:mw99k.199334$ snipped-for-privacy@en-nntp-04.dc.easynews.com:

some people are suicidal or not rational.

Yes,we all would. ;-)

that's no reason to go soft or give up now.

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OK,many were not Afghanis,instead foreign nationals.

I suspect that those unlawful combatants captured in Iraq stay in Iraq,under the control of Iraq.

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"Joel Koltner" wrote in news:3S99k.79895$ snipped-for-privacy@en-nntp-09.dc.easynews.com:

Why do you think that is?(and WHOSE parents? ) IMO,it's because good paying jobs have moved out of the US. Also,US citizens are expecting more,going further into debt to get the things they want but don't really need.

the price of energy is high because we import it and neglect to use our own energy sources.

Most always.

REALLY finish it,not just back away like we did in Korea and Vietnam.

Russia has recently admitted they took Kennedy to be a pushover. They also admitted that they were behind the Vietnamese anti-war grups;useful idiots.

I'm almost 56.

Carter was a good submariner.(follows orders...) that doesn't necessarily make him a good President. (gives orders,leadership)

That is the military's jurisdiction;the Congress and President determine the tasks the military must be ready for,and the military tells them what they need to do those tasks. Then Congress decides what gets funded,and the schedule of procurement. BUT,changing those programs in midstream is wasteful and stupid. Lengthen procurement,and unit costs go WAY up,and troops do without their weapons,and have to use old,failing weapons. Killing BMD leaves us vulnerable to nuclear missiles that we CAN stop.

You want to see costly;that will be when our soldiers must fight a war underequipped(and perhaps LOSE);it takes a LONG time to procure today's modern,complex,costly weapons systems,and trrain troops to know how to effectively use them. Let's not be penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Lose a war,and our safety becomes MUCH less.

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"Joel Koltner" wrote in news:NW99k.211796$ snipped-for-privacy@en-nntp-06.dc.easynews.com:

"Other countries"... what nonsense. Most Euro countries have lousy economies because of their socialist policies.They also have much less freedom than the US.

Al Gore is an IDIOT.

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Oh, it's largely due to "ourselves" -- our changing values regarding the roles of work and education in society. But regardless of the reason, it's still more important than in years past that our elected representatives are good global diplomats.

Yes, and I do think McCain understands that somewhat better than Obama might.

It's just painful to recall Vietnam -- it seems that the U.S. should have had no problem winning, but after 16 years of war people had had enough -- much to the detriment of our service men and the South Vietnamese.

Yeah; it seems as though Carter's good nature and high morals did him a little bit *too* much good, putting him in a position he wasn't well-qualified for.

Absolutely, but I believe that this has been a problem ever since, say, George Washington's time, so I doubt it'll change in the next few administrations. :-)

At work we do a fair amount of military contracting, and it's rather disheartening at times to see some widget we spent two years designing only have a service life or a year or two, to be replaced with another widget that isn't fundamentally that much more advanced or better, but just... different. People change their minds on the number of inputs and outputs they want, frequency coverage, whatever. We get another contract, build the next widget, and everyone's happy, but you have to wonder whether or not the system could be improved so as to not burn so much money in getting what's actually needed.

---Joel

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