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If the electricity goes out, we can fire up the gas burners on the stove. The CO2 is tolerable.

Every old city in the country has been or is doing that, but they still hav e to jackhammer the street up in critical places for some reason or another .

Some cities are so old they started out with wooden water piping. And the o riginal gas supply was derived locally from coal somehow, that's from an er a when gas seems to have been used for lighting only, all the heavy duty en ergy for heating came from burning coal, dunno about the cooking heat, gas or coal or what.

work off gas? Lose your electric power and you're back in the 18th century living standard. Gas is good for powering cheap electric generators.

at much electricity to cook. Peak demand may be high but total energy consu mption is small. The one electric appliance that I agree is a hog is the ho t water heater, but everything else is nominal now.

Now that you mention it, I recall one or two scandals of hucksters producin g what they claimed to be state-of-the-art compressors that couldn't delive r the performance and/or suffered from high failure rates. The dollar amoun ts involved were quite large in some cases. Just stay away from products la cking a proven track record or proprietary niche market products, nothing l ost.

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Well let's check that, did people have houses before Edison and Tesla, sure did you bet. You CAN have houses without electricity.

Can people have house without gas, sure can you bet, I have one.

Either of you care to back off from absolutisms?

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But you will have to be more concerned about CO.

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May you have another 32 years of that.

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Don't worry!(*)

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Frank McKenney

A clean gas flame doesn't make CO. And we have CO detectors, wih battery backup.

Yeah, but the CO likely is not. Anyway, it must be nice to live in a one room house.

I found out that my 80 foot well has water within 10 feet of the surface. I was originally told they couldn't measure the rate of flow of the well as it was too high... whatever the pump would pump. I would think this would be a great heat sink for a heat exchanger, no?

A few years ago my GE electric stove controller failed. (Stove bought in ~1998 so maybe 15 years at the time.) I went to order a new board. No longer supported. Expected life of a GE stove is now 7 years, according to the GE guy I talked to. He told me, "That's what consumer's want these days."

I found a place in Texas that would fix my board for ~$150 (I think)

George H.

It's fine. Last winter I ran the stovetop on the coldest of nights, to keep the electric meter from over-revving and the heat-pump from pumping its heart out.

I rigged a hillbilly heater duct and a little fan to pipe the warm air from the kitchen, too. (It worked without that too, but took longer for the warm air to spill out into the rest of the house.)

It worked great, saved a bundle, and the CO monitor in the kitchen didn't mind. Make sure the flame is blue, not yellow!

It must be, but he doesn't, and neither do I.

Cheers, James Arthur

When I was a kid, everybody I knew had unvented gas heaters in most every room of their houses. Thermally efficient! I didn't hear of anybody dying, but I guess it may have happened.

gotta be a lousy burner to not burn all the gas which it the only way it would make CO

-Lasse