Taxes aren't collected by force, though they can be from people who haven't got the message about how the community is supposed to work (a class that does seem to include James Arthur) but if everybody dragged their feet the task would be impossible.
Welfare payments aren't charity. They are investments in maintaining a prod uctive work force, even if that work force is between jobs, or too young, t oo sick or too mentally ill to be immediately employable.
"Deserving" doesn't come into it - it's much too subjective an assessment t o be any use at all (except as an excuse for not spending money on people y ou don't like).
ants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Exc ises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfa re of the United States."
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So, you believe the Constitution created an unlimited government empowered to do anything they deem to be "for the public good," rather than a limited government with powers restricted to those specifically listed in Art. I, Section 8??
James Madison (who wrote the thing) thinks you're an idiot.
?If Congress can apply money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, ... every thing, from the highest object of State legislation, down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress; for every object I have mentioned would admit the application of money, and might be called, if Congress pleased, provisions for the general welfare.? ? --James Madison
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In modern terms the Constitution says, "In order to create a government that accomplishes all the following things (more perfect Union, Justice, to ensure the welfare and security of the whole collection of states, etc.) , we hereby create a central government strictly limited to the following lis t of functions... (Art. I, Section 8), with all other powers being reserved to the People, and the Several States."
You probably also missed the one about paying taxes even though the money is going to a foreign overlord (which is surely worse than going to a fellow citizen?).
No one limits the charity you give to others. Welfare just limits how destitute people can get before the state takes some responsibility of them.
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Except that the constitution replaced the even more narrowly drafted Articl es of Confederation. The founding tax evaders weren't prophets or particula rly wise, otherwise they would have drafted practicable Articles of Confede ration.
What James Madison was saying - in a Congressional debate - was that he did n't like a particular expenditure and lumped it in with a bunch of other th at he didn't like either.
That doesn't make the people he was disagreeing with idiots.
One particular sort of spending he didn't like was on education. "They may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like m anner schools throughout the Union".
In 1792, when he was sounding off, education was held to be too expensive t o be made available to everybody. Since then society has become more produc tive (in part because the adoption of general education) and universal educ ation is the rule in almost all advanced industrial countries. The US is so mewhat backwards in this area. Education is now universal in the US, but US schools are locally funded and poor school districts don't have as much to spend as better off school districts.
There's obviously no uniformity within states - even the smallest state - R hode Island - seems to have 37 school districts. The actual range of expend itures between school districts across the US doesn't seem to be something that Google can find. Between states, New York spends - on average - three times a much per head per year ($21,206) as Utah ($6,575). The median looks to be around $11,000 per head per year (which is lower than the numerical average, as you'd expect).
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I've found a document on Arizona school districts, which shows much the sam e three to one range within the state as one sees between states. The lowes t spending school district in Arizona spent $5,911 per head per year, and t he highest spending, $18,853.
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Thinking that James Madison's opinions are all that relevant to way money s hould be being spent today isn't all that clever.
Thinking that spending on universal education isn't something of national i nterest, affecting the general welfare, is even less clever.
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