How 100 Mbps broadband will rock your world

you have a link mate ?

While I like the idea of fast comms, I do wonder whether its worth it to deliver stuff like movies and other packaged consumer items. How much does all the infrastructure cost, compared to the cost of posting a DVD through snail-mail ?

Sorry, yes a link would help somewhat:

Cheers Don...

: :Don McKenzie wrote: :> :> Makes you want the NBN. :> :> Residents at Point Cook near Melbourne have stopped queuing large :> downloads and started bringing on-demand movies down the pipe in under :> 15 minutes after swapping "abysmal" ADSL1 connections for superfast :> broadband. :> :> Three of the 1,500 residents in the coverage area of Telstra's :> fibre-to-the-home (FttH) trial network have spoken to iTnews about their :> experiences. :> -------------------------------- :> :> Cheers Don... :> :> :> :While I like the idea of fast comms, I do wonder whether its worth it to :deliver stuff like movies and other packaged consumer items. How much :does all the infrastructure cost, compared to the cost of posting a DVD :through snail-mail ?

Yes, I agree. It doesn't make any sense to spend over $30B just so homeowners can spend their leisure hours downloading and watching movies in almost real time. It is not as if people are not time-poor now when they should be spending more time interacting with their kids and family instead of stuck in front of a computer or networked TV set watching stupid movies. If that is the main aim of the NBN then it is a sad waste of resources which could be better targetted to business, medical, education sectors who would benefit from such bandwidth and speed. 99% of the population certainly don't need it.

Will all the movie downloads choke the speeds?

Yep, we can pretty much do all that now on ADSL2+. Seems like a waste to me as well, I keep thinking I must be missing something.

Not at the proposed cost.

What's the big deal? My Bigpond cable connection has for years been able to pull a movie down in under a claimed 10 minutes:

And in practice it is indeed insanely quick at downloading anything that is sourced directly from the local proxy server at Bigpond and not actually via the net. If the content comes via the actual net then it's still as slow as the thinnest pipe. Real shame I get charged for uploads though...

Dave.

What exactly does this article mean. It seems that 3 out of 1500 residents are downloading movies. What are the other 1497 people doing?

A fair percentage of them are renting DVDs, and before long they'll be downloading movies.

Or, what will become more important, the capacity of the server to respond.

Something that still seems to be totally ignored in all the hype.

MrT.

Probably reading a few emails and maybe some online banking, at a projected cost of $42Billion!

MrT.

:> : :> :Don McKenzie wrote: :> :>

:> :> Makes you want the NBN. :> :>

:> :> Residents at Point Cook near Melbourne have stopped queuing large :> :> downloads and started bringing on-demand movies down the pipe in under :> :> 15 minutes after swapping "abysmal" ADSL1 connections for superfast :> :> broadband. :> :>

:> :> Three of the 1,500 residents in the coverage area of Telstra's :> :> fibre-to-the-home (FttH) trial network have spoken to iTnews about :> their :> :> experiences. :> :> -------------------------------- :> :>

:> :> Cheers Don... :> :>

:> :>

:> :>

:> :While I like the idea of fast comms, I do wonder whether its worth it to :> :deliver stuff like movies and other packaged consumer items. How much :> :does all the infrastructure cost, compared to the cost of posting a DVD :> :through snail-mail ? :>

:>

:> Yes, I agree. It doesn't make any sense to spend over $30B just so :> homeowners :> can spend their leisure hours downloading and watching movies in almost :> real :> time. It is not as if people are not time-poor now when they should be :> spending :> more time interacting with their kids and family instead of stuck in front :> of a :> computer or networked TV set watching stupid movies. If that is the main :> aim of :> the NBN then it is a sad waste of resources which could be better :> targetted to :> business, medical, education sectors who would benefit from such bandwidth :> and :> speed. 99% of the population certainly don't need it. : : :Yep, we can pretty much do all that now on ADSL2+. Seems like a waste to me :as well, I keep thinking I must be missing something. :

Oh, and it gets even better when you consider that homeowners may not be allowed to opt out of having their current copper based communication facilities upgraded to fibre when it is being rolled out in the neighborhood. I encourage you to read the Telstra documentation regarding their Velocity (FTTH) offering which will form the basis on which the NBN is to be rolled out

Imagine the situation where an elderly non-computer savvy person who is not interested in having the NBN connected. They may only require a fixed line service and no internet. So if the copper network and dedicated Telstra PSTN exchanges are going to be made redundant with the advent of FTTH then they will be up for added expense and ongoing maintenance for their UPS (read the battery pdf). It will be the responsibility of the homeowner to monitor the condition of the UPS back-up battery supplying the ONT during mains power outages. AFAIK, small UPS of the type installed for the ONT don't have a battery test and monitor facility so how does a non tech-savvy pensioner know when to change the battery to ensure a reliable telephone service during power outages? They will probably only find out at some distant time in the future when the mains power is off for several hours and they try to use the phone and get nothing because the battery is dead. They will be responsible for ensuring the battery in the UPS is changed regularly by a licensed contactor at great expense. A Panasonic

That's progress???

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A most unlikely model ou are proposing , the logical conclusion is dsl /100mbs from neighbourhood fibre connection distributors which makes the most economic sense considering they can be dropped into existing exchanges for a fraction of the fibre to the house proposal , imagine a western town with a few hundred houses and fibre to the nearest large town 30k off.Running fibre to the local exchange is drawn via existing infrastructure and a router is dropped into the frame for bugger all relative cost , if the copper wont handle the distribution then a cheap wireless link which is stable and piss easy to install.

And of course Stephen Conroy is going to #$%^ it up like everything else. Victorians have a chance to boot him out at the next election:

Dave.

"David L. Jones" wrote in news:Rt91o.39936$f_3.34137 @newsfe17.iad:

else.

better

The software guys here have told me they are going to vote 'below the line' and put Conroy last. So that should help a little! Everyone who feels that way should take that effort.

:On 20/07/2010 12:58 PM, Ross Herbert wrote: :> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:54:22 +0800, "kelly" wrote: :>

:> :> : :> :> :Don McKenzie wrote: :> :> :>

:> :> :> Makes you want the NBN. :> :> :>

:> :> :> Residents at Point Cook near Melbourne have stopped queuing large :> :> :> downloads and started bringing on-demand movies down the pipe in under :> :> :> 15 minutes after swapping "abysmal" ADSL1 connections for superfast :> :> :> broadband. :> :> :>

:> :> :> Three of the 1,500 residents in the coverage area of Telstra's :> :> :> fibre-to-the-home (FttH) trial network have spoken to iTnews about :> :> their :> :> :> experiences. :> :> :> -------------------------------- :> :> :>

:> :> :> Cheers Don... :> :> :>

:> :> :>

:> :> :>

:> :> :While I like the idea of fast comms, I do wonder whether its worth it to :> :> :deliver stuff like movies and other packaged consumer items. How much :> :> :does all the infrastructure cost, compared to the cost of posting a DVD :> :> :through snail-mail ? :> :>

:> :>

:> :> Yes, I agree. It doesn't make any sense to spend over $30B just so :> :> homeowners :> :> can spend their leisure hours downloading and watching movies in almost :> :> real :> :> time. It is not as if people are not time-poor now when they should be :> :> spending :> :> more time interacting with their kids and family instead of stuck in front :> :> of a :> :> computer or networked TV set watching stupid movies. If that is the main :> :> aim of :> :> the NBN then it is a sad waste of resources which could be better :> :> targetted to :> :> business, medical, education sectors who would benefit from such bandwidth :> :> and :> :> speed. 99% of the population certainly don't need it. :> : :> : :> :Yep, we can pretty much do all that now on ADSL2+. Seems like a waste to me :> :as well, I keep thinking I must be missing something. :> : :>

:>

:> Oh, and it gets even better when you consider that homeowners may not be allowed :> to opt out of having their current copper based communication facilities :> upgraded to fibre when it is being rolled out in the neighborhood. I encourage :> you to read the Telstra documentation regarding their Velocity (FTTH) offering :> which will form the basis on which the NBN is to be rolled out :>

:> Imagine the situation where an elderly non-computer savvy person who is not :> interested in having the NBN connected. They may only require a fixed line :> service and no internet. So if the copper network and dedicated Telstra PSTN :> exchanges are going to be made redundant with the advent of FTTH then they will :> be up for added expense and ongoing maintenance for their UPS (read the battery :> pdf). It will be the responsibility of the homeowner to monitor the condition of :> the UPS back-up battery supplying the ONT during mains power outages. AFAIK, :> small UPS of the type installed for the ONT don't have a battery test and :> monitor facility so how does a non tech-savvy pensioner know when to change the :> battery to ensure a reliable telephone service during power outages? They will :> probably only find out at some distant time in the future when the mains power :> is off for several hours and they try to use the phone and get nothing because :> the battery is dead. They will be responsible for ensuring the battery in the :> UPS is changed regularly by a licensed contactor at great expense. A Panasonic :> 12V, 7Ah battery will set them back around $40 plus the contractor fee (approx :> $60 - $70 min) to change it over for them. This will be a far cry from the :> present community service access provisions of the copper based PSTN network we :> know today. :>

:> That's progress??? :A most unlikely model ou are proposing , the logical conclusion is dsl :/100mbs from neighbourhood fibre connection distributors which makes the :most economic sense considering they can be dropped into existing :exchanges for a fraction of the fibre to the house proposal , imagine a :western town with a few hundred houses and fibre to the nearest large :town 30k off.Running fibre to the local exchange is drawn via existing :infrastructure and a router is dropped into the frame for bugger all :relative cost , if the copper wont handle the distribution then a cheap :wireless link which is stable and piss easy to install.

I don't know where you live mate but that is not the scenario in Australia with the proposed NBN. This will be FTTH only in capital cities and wireless for rural areas off the beaten track. The reason we won't get a NBN based on fibre with copper for the final 300 metres (so-called FTTN) is because Telstra owns and maintains the existing copper infrastructure and all the other ISP's have to rely upon Telstra for providing and maintaining their networks while at the same time competing with them. With the advent of the NBN, Telstra - who owned and maintained the copper - will have to sell their underground infrastructure to NBNCo so they can use it to pull their fibre through. This means that Telstra will give up their copper network completely and no longer support it. Unless you have fibre to the home you won't get anything - unless you go for wireless.

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silly idea at best which is why it will fail

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With the advent of the NBN, Telstra - who owned and

but the new owners are obliged to do so hence your theory is heavily flawed , remember contracts can be altered anytime Unless

bullshite

I can already imagine PigBond with a 500Meg Account for $150 and 25c a Meg over the limit.