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On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 07:26:27 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

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Charities are the same.  How many have gone out of business after
their reason for existing goes away?

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Jim Thompson wrote:
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In the late 80's, when Democrats started talking about socialized  
medicine for the first time in decades, Republicans had the sense to  
point out that the government already provided health care to veterans  
and Indians, and they got the worst in the country.  Since then no one  
has thought to mention it.




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On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 11:12:27 AM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
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Medicare for all does not entail government provided services like the decr
epit VA. Health care still remains private. The VA is supposed to privatize
 health care for all but veterans specific problems like prosthetics, rare  
cancers and whatever. All the common stuff like heart disease, diabetes, hy
pertension, and whatever would be provided by the doctor of their choice an
d reimbursed by the VA. That plan makes much more sense. The government can
't make anything work.

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On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 6:15:28 PM UTC+2, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrot
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crepit VA. Health care still remains private. The VA is supposed to privati
ze health care for all but veterans specific problems like prosthetics, rar
e cancers and whatever. All the common stuff like heart disease, diabetes,  
hypertension, and whatever would be provided by the doctor of their choice  
and reimbursed by the VA. That plan makes much more sense. The government c
an't make anything work.

The governments of every other advanced industrial country can make univers
al health care work. The US needs a better constitution, and a better elect
oral system - proportional representation and nice big multi-representative
 electoral districts would help.

That would give the place better government - one that could make universal
 health care and universal education work. The well-off wouldn't like it, s
ince they'd have to pay more taxes immediately, and it would take years bef
ore a better trained and healthier work force earned them enough in extra p
rofits to cover the extra tax load.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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AT Tuesday 11 July 2017 01:15, snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote:

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Here is an example that works
<http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/22/3/77.full
I did not have a need for it but heard from fellow expats that the system is  
good.

They have their costs under control:
<http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/22/3/77/T1.expansion.html
686$ against 4373US$ per person/year (number from 1999).
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Reinhardt


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On 2017/07/10 10:42 PM, Reinhardt Behm wrote:
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Granted this is from 1999, however it appears that Canada could possibly  
gain knowledge from this study as well.

Of course Taiwan is a relatively small country so some costs will be  
mitigated (distance to hospitals, doctors, etc.) but it is an  
interesting study none the less. I wonder how much has changed in the  
last 18 years?

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Thanks for sharing that!

John

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AT Tuesday 11 July 2017 23:18, John Robertson wrote:

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Of course the numbers are really comparable directly because the cost of  
living is much lower than in the US.
I was shocked when I visited Florida in April and saw the prices there  
compared to what I pay at home in TW.
But still the NHI in TW today seems to have better control over prices even  
if they have the same problem as anywhere: aging population and thus  
increasing costs.

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Reinhardt


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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:37:07 +0800, Reinhardt Behm

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Everything is better and less expensive anywhere than in the US >:-}

KMA
        
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 08:53:48 -0700, Jim Thompson

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S/KMA/So stay home./

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On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 5:54:02 PM UTC+2, Jim Thompson wrote:
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When it comes to healthcare this is generally true. US health care is prett
y good, as long as you have the insurance to pay for it, but it costs half  
as much again more than the most extravagant competition. All the competiti
on offers universal health care, so their performance for the population as
 whole is decidedly better. No US right-winger can get their head around th
is.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Monday, 24 July 2017 12:53:14 UTC+1, snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org  wrote:
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tty good, as long as you have the insurance to pay for it, but it costs hal
f as much again more than the most extravagant competition. All the competi
tion offers universal health care, so their performance for the population  
as whole is decidedly better. No US right-winger can get their head around  
this.

The last mile is the most expensive, that's true with almost anything. The  
NHS is cheaper, but its performance varies from great to risible.


NT

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On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 4:38:33 PM UTC+2, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
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retty good, as long as you have the insurance to pay for it, but it costs h
alf as much again more than the most extravagant competition. All the compe
tition offers universal health care, so their performance for the populatio
n as whole is decidedly better. No US right-winger can get their head aroun
d this.
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e NHS is cheaper, but its performance varies from great to risible.

The UK National Health Service delivers pretty good performance. If you've  
got a problem that needs an urgent solution they will solve it in short ord
er. If they can put off solving your problem for months they have been know
n to do it.  

The telephone equations show that if you have four more circuits than you n
eed, you can hook up your customers immediately 99% of the time.

Having four more specialists than you really need gets expensive for little
 used specialties - even more so if you aren't enthusiastic about shipping  
patients half-way across the country, and the NHS doesn't like paying for u
nused capacity.

The situation got quite bad under Thatcher, who seems to have been trying t
o encourage everybody to get US-style private health insurance (mostly from
 BUPA). It took Labour under Blair some years to undo the systmatic under-i
nvestment.

What's your example of the NHS delivering "risible" performance?

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 07/10/2017 09:15 AM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
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That would collapse far too many empires...


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It looks like the VA _is_ going over to "doctor of their choice and
reimbursed by the VA".

A fellow traveler in my recent cancer "adventure", from Show Low, AZ,
was at Ironwood Cancer & Research Center (Chandler, AZ) getting
treatment for prostate cancer, reimbursed by the VA... including his
daily 200+ mile round trip travel expenses!

        
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On 07/10/2017 12:58 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
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That would be the "Veterans Choice" Program, I think. The miles to  
nearest treatment facility that VA operates can trigger the Choice  
program, although I initially heard that there was a big run-around  
involved in getting any service...maybe better now?


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Appears so, Thankfully!
        
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