Solder sniffers beware,,, lead = bad

awww do I have to.

I quit smoking over 6 months ago

: : Seriously, I smoked two packs a day for 17 years, and I SMOKED THEM. : I started on camel non filters and Pall Malls, Quit cold turkey in : '87 and never looked back. Felt better EVERY week since. : Trust me, if you quit, you'll come back here in two or three moons : and thank me for getting you in the mindset. : : THAT is the poison that is ravaging your body, AND it makes you : STINK, whether you believe it or not. It reduces productivity at work : through lack of actually putting in 8 hrs as well as the mental hit. : : Dude, get up your willpower and quit. : : Yes, I am an asshole, but that smoke is the devil in you right now. : : nicotine = LEAD! in this case. : : Fuck the cilantro, that just makes the stink worse. Quit smoking and : get back 5 or ten of the 30 you took away. : : Folks that smoke are so good at ignoring all the data. : : Do yourself a favor and believe that stats. : : Do you get sore back problems? : : Tobacco starves the discs of blood and they harden (firm up) over : time. : : I can't be too much of an arrogant asshole if I don't even know you, : and I just spent several minutes of MY time telling you what IS : absolutely the best thing you can do for yourself right now.

Crikey, now you've got the arrogance to assume that I am still smoking. :-)

: : Trust me, the addiction is 96% mental. WILLPOWER.

I have smoked and then quit several times in the course of my life. Quit each time cold turkey with nothing more than willpower. This time was different however. Coming off a year of incredible stress and increased workload thanks to being waxed by a hurricane and due to the fact that I still had a lot of catching up to do projects wise in spite of being thoroughly burned out from it all, I opted to use a little help in the form of Wellbutrin\Zyban this time to ward of the depression that the lower dopamine levels of nicotine withdrawal causes.

: : You have guitar skills... get the skill that lets you tell yourself : you are not going to pick then up again. : : Guess what? A new Strat-o-caster is only a couple of smoke free : years away. Save the dollars you would normally spend on smokes, and : see what you can buy!

I would buy a pack of American Spirits organic loose leaf tobacco and roll my own. An eight dollar can would last me over a month. So money wasn't the issue. The condition of my lungs was however. When you combine the years of sucking up solder fumes and cigarette tars, well, you get the idea.

Let's see 8 *12 = $ 96.00 Hmm, in another

10-15 years I might save enuff for a Strat, only by then a Strat will probably be twice as much, so maybe 30 years away from a Strat only by then they'll be three times as much and I'll be practically dead from old age

: : I'll bet you just hate to love me right now. : : Too bad, if you take heed, you'll be forced to admit that I helped : you despite all you have said.

Crikey, you just don't quit, do you. ;-)

Actually, the brand of tobacco I smoked is untreated with chemicals supposedly. IOW they don't use bug spray on the insecticide.

: > Phil,,, is that you ? : : : No, dumbass. Learn to read and interpret headers. : : What's with the stupid triple coma CRAP?

ahha!!! only Phil would be anal about the triple comma crap. I knew it.

"MassiveProng" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:38:38 -0600, "Dave Moore" : Gave us: : : > Like as if you have some psychic ability to divine from afar : >my ability to discern between imaginary and real problems : >or symptoms. : : : I soldered for years. Cast bullets, and fishing sinkers for years. : : Had lead tests done a few years back with similar, but not quite so : paranoid thoughts as yours.

So, what did you have? Blood tests? What would that prove? Would it tell you if there are any metals blocking the neuro-receptors in your brain? Or just whether your blood serum levels were either high or low at the time.

: : Not a trace. IIRC (hehehe that's a joke, son.) (Rooster : inflection). I remember the results. : : So yeah... maybe a bit arrogant, but I do speak from knowledge and : experience.

At least there's no question you think you do.

: From your post title, I'd say the opposite of you in the : lead/body infusion regard anyway.

: : So pay head and get off the excessive selenium, if any, and get : tested, and move on.

Man, you do make a lot of assumptions. I take selenium in the form of yeast tablets that are available in almost any food store or pharmacy and only in accordance with the instructions on the bottle. Where ever did you get this "excessive selenium" notion?

: : You were probably just not as attentive that night, and WERE MORE : attentive on the subsequent session. Hence the psychosomatic : reference. No big deal if you don't make it one.

: > Obviously, you are confusing me with somebody that give's a rats : >ass about your asshole opinions. : : : Apparently you do to some degree, or you wouldn't be responding so : angrily based on the mere fact that your fears are essentially : baseless.

Man, I've never seen anyone rattle off such load of presumptuous poop in my life.

The only thing I could possibly be remotely angry about is the similarity of your position to the whackazoids that whine and complain about all of the people who choose to do what they can to slow Global Warming. The whackazoids go on and on about things like whether Al Gore drives a polluting vehicle or whether some groups stand to profit from the green movement or whether Global warming is being caused by man or occuring naturally etc., etc., Yet they'll acknowledge that Global Warming is happening. So what the heck is all the obssession with petty details. Global Warming is happening and I and anyone with at least half a functioning brain can see that regardless of all that petty crap they whine about, the obvious thing to do is to atempt to mitigate our contribution to it. yet that doesn't stop them from whining on and on about it.

So in essence, your stance on this subject of lead poisoning seems to be pretty much along this same ridiculous line of reasoning. You point to some study that in your mind indicates that lead can't get from solder into your system, or that the mercury from amalgam can only get into your system at the initial time of insertion. Well firstly, I have doubts about your sources of information, but secondly and even more important,

the BIGGIE here;

is that it doesn't even really matter anyway because if I get rid the amalgam fillings and get rid of lead based solders, it won't really matter if your sources of information are correct or not. It becomes a frikken moot point !!!

three exclamation points and an un-capitalized t to send yer arse into a spastic convulsion

Same with the Global Warming issue We can only do whatever it is we can do about Global warming. So if we just do whatever it is we *can* do, then all of the debates about it's causes become a moot point. cause we're already doing all we can anyway.

So do I give a damn about the winner of some controversy when I have the option of re-aligning my life in such a way as to make the controversy irrelevant anyway?

I mean, it's like say you have two roads that you can traverse. One is near a cliff and the other is a good safe distance from the cliff. I suppose you could form an investigating committee and draw forth ever publication you can find about the history of people that have traveled the cliff path. Then you could bring in a team of statistics experts, infrastucture engineers etc., etc., and debate till your blue in the face whether it's safe to go down the cliff road.

Or,,, you could just take the other road.

Dood! I'm taking the other road. Comprende?

: : There would be a HUGE statistical data reference if folks that : worked in electronics with direct exposure to metallic form lead were : having problems with high lead counts in their bodies, or any of the : associated illnesses surrounding high lead counts in their bodies. : : In other words, dude... WE WOULD KNOW IF IT WERE A PROBLEM. : It has literally been over half a century since Western Electric had : the mothers of folks like you and me soldering their asses off with : even higher lead content alloys than we use now. : : The making a mountain out of a dung beetle ball syndrome comes to : mind. That would be several orders of magnitude in size difference. : : Yet more proof that RoHS is bullshit as well.

Well, what can I say, enjoy the cliff road. The other road is just fine for me. Yet you'll somehow convince yourself that you're smarter for taking the cliff road no doubt

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 02:40:31 -0600, "Dave Moore" Gave us:

AHHHA! With a stupid remark like that, I take it all back. You do have a problem with LEAD and nicotine in your diet!

: >And you'll still be an asshole no matter what you claim to : >the contrary : : When did I ever say that I was not an asshole, asshole? : : > or no matter how much supposed "friendly advice" : >you shell out to try to cover it up with. : : My remarks are facts. There is no cover up. You can absorb it, let : it whopp you upside da head and ignore it, or you can deal with the : fact that it is certainly one possibility. : : Damn, dude. Are you one of those tobacco smokers that swears there : is no health issues surround that as well? : : BTW, if you DO smoke, that IS a contributing factor for dexterity. : It constricts the tiny capillaries of the body, and things get Oxygen : starved, like spinal discs, teeth, your brain, etc. : : So your lack of capacity to play well that night could be due to one : or more of several factors. You smoking, smokers in the same room with : you... an acid flashback, etc., etc. : : Don't shoot the messenger for being Frank and Earnest, even if,in : your opinion "arrogant". That would kinda make you the asshole.

Frank and earnest is fine, but when presumtuous and not very intelligent, it can gets a bit tedious.

insert hissy fit here>>>>>>>>______________________

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 02:50:09 -0600, "Dave Moore" Gave us:

You sounded real enthused about your "results" with it.

It is in regular every day supplements so if you are already taking those...

If you get too much, you wont even be able to come back to acknowledge that I told you so. :-]

"James Arthur" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... : On Mar 8, 8:21 pm, "Dave Moore" wrote: : > "James Arthur" wrote in messagenews: snipped-for-privacy@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... : >

: > : On Mar 7, 1:29 pm, "Xtrchessreal" wrote: : > : : > : > 30 Years later I was researching my newly diagnosed ADHD and : > : > found that mercury poisoning is suspected as a cause. : > : : > : I knew of a late-teen with severe ADHD, on medication since age 8. : > : Extensive review of the medical literature, and knowledge of the : > : teen's diet led me to suspect deficiency of essential fatty acids : > : as a primary cause. Essential fatty acids are essential to : > : adolescent growth, and to brain function. : > : : > : Encouraged by the success at: : > : : > :

: > : : > : an experiment was instituted with fatty acid supplements 20 : > : months ago (end of June, 2005). : > : : > : The teen stopped all medication. Life was hell for two weeks, : > : then slowly improved over the next four weeks. : > : : > : The teen promptly grew from 5 ft to 5 ft 5.5 over the summer. : > : That's : > : 5 1/2 inches in three months. : > : : > : The kid now has complete relief of all ADHD, taking no : > : drugs. The kid is just a normal, cool, super-smart kid. As long : > : as the supplements are taken, that is. Kids being kids, : > : often the supplements are forgotten; symptoms return : > : over the next couple days. It's quite obvious. Restarting : > : the supplements fixes it. Always. : > : : > : We also feel utter elimination of hydrgenated oils important, as : > : those compete with--and are preferentially utilized by the brain : > : over--the supplements, yet do not function as required. : > : : > : Cheers, : > : James Arthur : >

: > Interesting info, thanks. I've found a tip that I'll relay. : > The trick is to sip a tablespoon of canola ,walnut, or olive oil, : > or some other (high in essential fatty acids) oil, about : > 30 minutes before a meal. : > Supposedly this helps to release CCK : > hormone which in turn signals the brain that it's satisfied. : > Supposedly, you'll eat less 30 minutes later when meal : > time comes. Certainly it couldn't hurt and may just have : > other benefits. : : Thanks. Fat slows digestion (gastric emptying, specifically) : and reportedly improves satiety, so it seems there's some : heathful basis for Italians dipping their bread in olive oil. : : Except for walnut, though, the oils you mention are _not_ : good sources of the necessary essential fatty acids / oils : (EFAs are oils). These light oil fractions spoil quite easily, : and so are ordinarily deliberately removed from olive and : canola oil during refining. Necessary, for cooking use, : but not helpful for brains. : : The Durham Research Council spells out their exact : protocol. EPA, DHA, GLA. Basically, it's certain fish : and primrose oils. : : For the teen, scaled to the kid's weight, it amounts to : 2g of _concentrated_ omega-3s (or 4g unrefined) from : fish and one primrose capsule, per day. I figure ideally : it would be twice that, but the kid balks. : : From food there are precious few good sources, : chiefly cold-water fish (salmon, fatty tuna). Grass-fed : animals. Chickens that eat bugs. Grain-fed : animals are poor sources. : : Flaxseed, walnuts, and chia seeds have ample : short-chain plant-based versions (ALA) of the fatty : acids, but your body will only convert 10-20% to the : needed long-chain (animal) forms. : : For anyone interested, see the Durham Research : Council site. They're really good folks, and it's written : in plain language. : :

: : Best, : James Arthur

Thanks, I'll check it out. I already eat Salmon pretty regularly. Great brian food,, except for the mercury content which dulls the brian )`:

So I've taken to on occasion chopping up salmon and cilantro together with a bit of mayo on bread. Guess it's what might be considered a Mexican tuna samich. :

"PassiveHmong" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Didn't think so.... btw, it should be 'aurally', if you're using English... __ Steve .

"FlaccidBong" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

OK, now you assert that the editorial you knows:

1) the editorial 'we' is not stupid 2) your argument is merely an assertion, no facts 3) I have picture and you don't

Thanks for conceding... now limp home, unless you want to lose the *other* buttock...

You *could* have gone to Wiki... or remained ignorant. Which did he choose?

I got picture, you got squat. Pwned!11!!!! __ Steve . silly fruit de mer...

"MissiveWrong" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

MassivePrawn, you can end all this by going away... but I don't think you can. Like a car wreck.

??? Is that what makes you a MassivePrawn?

Hey, they're still in business! And you're being trolled by a Usenet Dope (tm)! Have you no life?

And 30GHz is for pikers! That was middling frequency on my VLBA dish... oh, I forgot to mention, I was chief site tech in Fort Davis for four years. How's *your*

25m radio-telescope? Oh, you don't have one? How sad...

And this is supposed to be bad *how*?

Slowly committing suicide, eh?

I got picture, and Wiki! Your gal ain't doodley squat. __ Steve .

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:20:08 GMT, "Stephen Cowell" Gave us:

The gang boy retard language fits you well. Doesn't make you any more correct, however.

You probably wear your pants down past your asscrack too.

"PassiveWrong" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Me: pic. You: cocktail sauce. Your flames lick me.... over and over. __ Steve .

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:28:12 GMT, "Stephen Cowell" Gave us:

You're an idiot. As I said, I was NOT talking about Phil Baby's crap, I was talking about the original.

Phil should have stayed a drummer. At that, he was good.

Where are all your albums at, Mr. CritiqueTard?

That's what I thought.

You lose.... again.

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Zinc Chloride is used in plumbers flux, ie Acid flux paste. Not something you want on or near electronics, even wires for that matter.

More than a few people have mentioned that to Cowell.

Evidentally he is too stupid to listen.

No - you are just sidestepping the zinc chloride evidence.

Your picture nowhere indicates that it is rosin flux, which is the issue on which Compuser based his scoring, and the issue which John Fields, Massive Prong, myself and others find at fault. Back in the day, putting "contains zinc chloride" on the tin was sufficient to know it was acid flux. Now they put the word "acid" on the container.

"I got picture" too, since a picture seems to mean so much to you:

The label in the picture shows "Kester SP-30 Acid Paste Flux" and "Flux Contains Zinc Chloride" Its the kind of flux used in plumbing, not electronics.

Read it some more. Your picture of it shows, in bold type, "OTHER PRODUCTS" with the GC Electronics logo betweeen the words. It shows "COMPLETE LINE OF RADIO CHEMICALS AND SERVICE AIDS" under that. That does not identify the contents of the can as a "Radio Chemical", only that their _Other_ products are "radio chemicals". It seems to indicate that this particular can does not contain "radio chemicals". Otherwise the word "other" would not appear on the can. And "radio chemicals" is undefined. But all that becomes moot when zinc chloride makes the stuff acid flux.

The fact that the label says "Contains Zinc Chloride" indicates that it is acid flux. The goo is petroleoum jelly to make it a paste, and is common to both acid and rosin flux. Either the acidic substance (in this case zinc chloride) or rosin is the "activator" and is what makes the distinction between rosin flux and acid flux.

Wikipedia *clearly* warns against using acid flux on electronics:

"The two principal types of flux are acid flux, used for metal mending, and rosin flux, used in electronics, where the corrosiveness of the vapours that arise when acid flux is heated could damage components."

It also indicates that zinc chloride is one of the chemicals that makes it acid flux: "Acid flux types (not used in electronics) may contain zinc chloride or ammonium chloride, both of which are harmful to humans."

You can go to the U.S. Department of Energy in the Chemical Archive:

and read this: '"Acid" flux is the stronger class of flux; it has something like hydrochloric acid in it. (The paste form has zinc chloride.) '

Whatever your motive, the information you presented is incorrect, and could lead someone to believe that he/she can use solder paste containing zinc chloride on electronic circuitry, with no ill effect. That is a *bad* practice, and we are specifically warned against doing so.

Go to the url below and scroll down about 3/4 of the page to see a picture of Kester acid paste flux and rosin paste flux containers. Get some SP-44 and use that on electronics when you need flux.

You will see the warning against using acid flux on electronics there, as well.

Ed

You dumbasses can't even Wiki, can you?

Traditional rosin fluxes are available in non-activated (R), mildly activated (RMA) and activated (RA) formulations. RA and RMA fluxes contain rosin combined with an activating agent, typically an acid, which increases the wettability of metals to which it is applied by removing existing oxides. The residue resulting from the use of RA flux is corrosive and must be cleaned off the piece being soldered. RMA flux is formulated to result in a residue which is not significantly corrosive, with cleaning being preferred but optional.

I have a jar of RMA rosin flux... I assure you that it contains zinc chloride. __ Steve .