DTV Pal running slow

Model, make etc ?

Graham

DTV Pal (also marketed under the model name TR-40) by Dish Network.

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See this link, similar problem. Could be the station clock is off ...

Cheers

Wouldn't surprise me the least bit, considering that they often can't even keep the guide list current. Or just won't. We regularly turn on the TV because a movie was announced. Then some other movie plays while (!) the original one is still listed. Seems nobody gives a hoot there.

Means nothing to me. Why are you using PAL in the USA ?

Graham

"pal" as in "buddy" I guess. Maybe "mate" or "bloke" in rightpondian ;-)

Not PAL as in the video standard but Pal as in that's what the set-top box is called. Kind of like VCR meant any format (VHS or Beta) Video Casette Recorder in the US and not a specific format of Video Casette Recorder or Video.

Also see DivX and DRM.

How deliberately confusing is that ?

PAL = Phase Alternate Line.

NTSC = never twice the same colour.

Graham

My cable provider updates the prgramme guide via cable broadband ( built into the STB ) It can 'go funny' sometimes presumably when traffic is high. It's NEVER 10 mins out though, maybe a minute at worst.

Indeed the STB seems to be a combined TV source and broadband router.

Graham

No such luck. Each station is spot on and agrees with my computer's clock (I'm using a computer as a DVR).

As further evidence that it's internal, forcing a "reset" (holding down the Power button) forces the stb to synchronize its clock with whatever source (you say CBS affiliate?) it uses as its reference. That corrects the late clock, but it continues to get slower as the days tick by.

Ideas?

Thanks,

the STB ) It can 'go funny' sometimes presumably when traffic is high. It's NEVER 10 mins out though, maybe a minute at worst.

The technology is fine in our case as well. But someone at the station would need to trudge over to the computer and enter the change. That's not happening.

Is there possibly a setup menu that has an entry field for "update clock every xx minutes"?

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Have you tried the newest [f207] firmware?

More Q&As , with clock info, here:

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With clock symptoms showing up, the first thing I'd look for is a battery or large capacitor on the board...either one could be responsible for keeping the clock running. Personally, I'd bet the thing has a battery like a CR2032 in place to keep the clock running.

Many designs will only use the battery when it's needed, but some pull from it all the time. If the unit were to be stored in the absence of wall power, or if it uses the battery all/most of the time even when plugged in, the battery should last 2-3 years.

William

Mine records while "off".

I don't know when or how it gets the time on yours, but mine has to get it from PSIP since the local TVGOS doesn't work. I asked the station engineer about it, and he said they would get it going, but that was months ago -- I doubt they are able to make it work.

I have noticed errors all over the place with the PSIP time, one station was about 13 years slow (time from 1996 or so).

So, let it shut down. It will still record.

Of course, there is no reason it needs to be "off" to download the time, and no reason it needs to reboot to load the TVGOS guide, but it continues to try that too. At least it gathers PSIP while on and active, but it stupidly forgets the PSIP information very rapidly while looking at it.

Probably cheap offshore programmers doing a bad job of programming.

Other obvious programming problems are that it cannot realize when it can use 1 tuner for two overlapping recordings from the same channel.

Well, if it wants to be "off", let it turn "off".

Alan

Because the product called the DTV Pal works with ATSC. It's just a name. (It originally was called the TR-50 (not TR-40, the -40 was a CECB)).

Alan

Apparently only to someone who has had their brain fried by the 50 Hz flicker of slow television.

It has been accepted by many, that NTSC has given *better* color than PAL ever since solid state electronics have made phase response stable in the early 1970's.

But, we are talking about ATSC here.

Alan

Where are you? How do you read the station time information? Do you have a program that compares PSIP time with NTP time?

In the San Francisco Bay area, the stations PSIP times are all over the place, a few off by over a minute, and one off by about 13 years. The majority have the UTC offset wrong, as well.

Let it sync when it needs to.

Alan