Wed Jul 07 2004 18:20, Dima Orlov wrote to Alexey Boyko:
DO> âÙ×ÁÅÔ ÔÁËÏÅ.
ðÒÉÍÅÒ?AVR vs PIC
Jun 20, 2004
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Alexey!
Wednesday July 07 2004 12:12, Alexey Boyko wrote to Dima Orlov:
DO>> ëÓÔÁÔÉ, Ó ËÁËÏÊ ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌØÎÏÊ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÊ DO>> ÕÍÅÀÔ ÁÔÍÅÌÏ×ÓËÉÅ ËÒÉÓÔÁÌÌÙ ÍÁÈÁÔØ ÎÏÖËÏÊ ÏÔ R-C (×ÎÅÛÎÅÇÏ)? AB>
AB> ËÏÍÁÎÄÙ sbi/cbi ×ÙÐÏÌÎÑÀÔÓÑ 2 ÔÁËÔÁ, ÔÁË ËÁË Read-Modify-Write. åÓÌÉ AB> HÕÖÎÏ ÂÙÓÔÒÅÅ, ÔÏÇÄÁ ËÏÍÁÎÄÏÊ out - 1 ÔÁËÔ, ÎÏ ÅÊ ÎÕÖÎÏ ÄÁÎÎÙÅ ÓÎÁÞÁÌÁ AB> ÐÒÉÇÏÔÏ×ÉÔØ. (out - ÐÉÛÅÔ ÂÁÊÔ × ÐÏÒÔ, sbi/cpi - ÉÍÅÎÑÀÔ ÏÄÉÎ ÂÉÔ) AB>
AB> ðÏ ÐÏ×ÏÄÕ ×ÎÅÛÎÅÇÏ R-C, ÔÏ ÎÕÖÎÏ ÞÉÔÁÔØ External RC Oscillator AppNote AB> (Õ ÍÅÎÑ ÅÇÏ ÎÅÔ), ÎÏ ÐÏÈÏÖÅ, ÞÔÏ ÅÇÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÚÁÐÕÓÔÉÔØ ÎÁ ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌØÎÏÊ ÄÌÑ AB> ÞÉÐÁ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÅ. (äÌÑ atmega48/88/168 - 20MHz) F = 1/(3RC), C >= 22pF
äÌÑ ÐÉËÁ, ÎÁ 4ÍÇÃ, ÍÁËÓ. ÞÁÓÔÏÔÁ ÍÁÈÁÎÉÑ ÎÏÖËÏÊ - ~180ËÇÃ.Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Alexey!
Wednesday July 07 2004 12:05, Alexey Boyko wrote to Vladislav Baliasov:
AB>>> ëÕÐÉ ÔÅÓÔÅÒ UNI-T UT70B (~70$) ôÁÍ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÍÅÒ ÎÁ 400MHz. á ÎÁ AB>>> ÐÉËÁÈ ÄÅÌÁÊ ÞÔÏ-ÔÏ ÄÒÕÇÏÅ. éÂÏ, ÞÔÏ 20kHz, ÞÔÏ 10MHz, ÞÔÏ 20Mhz - AB>>> ÜÔÏ ÍÁÌÏ ÄÌÑ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÍÅÒÁ. VB>> äÁ. ðÏÜÔÏÍÕ ÎÁ PIC16 ÐÒÅËÒÁÓÎÏ ÐÏÌÕÞÁÀÔÓÑ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÍÅÒÙ ÄÏ 50 MHz VB>> ÛÔÁÔÎÏ (ÒÅÁÌØÎÏ ÒÁÂÏÔÏÓÐÏÓÏÂÎÙÅ É ÄÏ 60+ MHz), AB>
AB> õ ðéëÁ ÁÓÉÎÈÒÏÎÎÙÊ ÔÁÊÍÅÒ?
á ËÁË ÅÍÕ ÓËÁÖÅÛØ - ÔÁËÏÊ É ÂÕÄÅÔ :)Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Alexander!
Wednesday July 07 2004 16:06, Alexander Golov wrote to Alexey Boyko:
AB>>>>>> ps: öÄÕ ÚÁÍÅÎÕ atmega48 ÓÒÅÄÉ PIC-Ï×. GS>>>>> ô×ϣ ÄÅÌÏ, ÈÏÞÅÛØ ÖÄÁÔØ - ÖÄÉ ;) AB>>>> ôÏ ÅÓÔØ ÎÅÔÕ, ÄÁ? AG>
AG>>> óÍÏÔÒÅÌ, ÓÍÏÔÒÅÌ Ñ ÎÁ ATmega48 É ÎÅ ÐÏÎÑÌ × ޣÍ ÅÇÏ ÕÎÉËÁÌØÎÏÓÔØ. AG>
AB>> õÎÉËÁÌØÎÏÓÔØ × ÃÅÎÅ. ïËÏÌÏ 1.5$ AG>
AG> ñ ÐÏÄÕÍÁÌ ÞÔÏ ÓÐÏÒ × ÔÅÈÎÉÞÅÓËÏÊ ÏÂÌÁÓÔÉ. HÁÓËÏÌØËÏ ÍÎÅ ÉÚ×ÅÓÔÎÏ PIC'Ï× AG> ÔÁËÏÇÏ ÒÁÚÍÅÒÁ ÚÁ $1,5 × ÍÅÌËÉÈ ÐÁÒÔÉÑÈ ÎÅÔ (×ÒÏÄÅ PIC16F72 ÏËÏÌÏ $2,
íÅÎØÛÅ ÐÏÌÕÔÏÒÁ.AG> ÎÏ ÐÁÍÑÔÉ ÍÅÎØÛÅ), ÈÏÔÑ ×ÏÔ DO ÕÔ×ÅÒÖÄÁÅÔ, ÞÔÏ ÅÍÕ ÄÉÌÌÅÒÙ Atmel ÎÅ AG> ÍÏÇÕÔ ÐÅÒÅÂÉÔØ ÃÅÎÕ ÄÉÌÌÅÒÏ× Microchip ÎÁ ÐÒÏÍÙÛÌÅÎÎÙÈ ÐÁÒÔÉÑÈ.
äÁ, ÎÅ ÍÏÇÕÔ - 16F73 (ÎÅ 72!) - ÏËÏÌÏ ÐÏÌÕÔÏÒÁ ÄÏÌÌÁÒÏ×, 819-Ê - ÄÏÌÌÁÒ Ó ËÏÐÅÊËÁÍÉ (1.20, áæáéò)AG> á ÚÁÞÅÍ ÜËÏÎÏÍÉÔØ $1 ÎÁ ÐÁÒÔÉÑÈ × ÓÏÔÎÉ ÛÔÕË Ñ ÐÏÎÑÔØ ÎÅ ÍÏÇÕ (ÓÁÍ Ñ
óÏ×ÅÒÛÅÎÎÏ ÎÅ Ë ÞÅÍÕ.Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Yuriy!
Wednesday July 07 2004 21:39, Yuriy K wrote to Dima Orlov:
YK> From: "Yuriy K" snipped-for-privacy@taekwondo.co.nz>
YK>
YK> Wed Jul 07 2004 18:20, Dima Orlov wrote to Alexey Boyko: YK>
DO>> ôÁË Ó ËÁËÏÊ ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌØÎÏÊ ÞÁÓÏÔÏÊ? YK>
YK> 4MHz @ 8MHz internal calibrated RC
äÌÑ ÐÉËÁ - 0.36ËÇà ÐÒÉ 8ÍÇà ÔÁËÔÏ×ÏÊ. åÓÌÉ ÓÞÉÔÁÔØ ÞÔÏ Õ á÷òÁ ÔÁËÔÏ×ÁÑ ÎÁ 4 ÎÅ ÄÅÌÉÔÓÑ, ÔÏ Õ ÎÅÇÏ ÄÏÌÖÎÏ ÂÙÔØ 4*0.36= 1.44 ÍÇÃ, ËÁËÉÍ ÏÂÒÁÚÏÍ ÐÏÌÕÞÁÅÔÓÑ 4 ÍÅÇÁÇÅÒÃÁ ???? éÌÉ ÜÔÏ × ÓÌÕÞÁÅ ÒÁÂÏÔÙ ÂÅÚ ÚÁÃÉËÌÉ×ÁÎÉÑ, ÐÒÏÓÔÏÊ ÐÏÓÌÅÄÏ×ÁÔÅÌØÎÏÓÔØÀ out PORTA,1 out PORTA,0 out PORTA,1 out PORTA,0 É ÔÁË ÄÁÌÅÅ ?"üÔÏ ÎÅ ÐÏ ÓÐÏÒÔÉ×ÎÏÍÕ" !
éÍÅÌÏÓØ ××ÉÄÕ ÞÔÏ-ÔÏ ÔÉÐÁ:while (1) PORTA^=1;
ÈÏÔØ ÎÁ óÉ/asm, ÈÏÔØ ÎÁ ÞÉÓÔÏÍ ÁÓÅÍÂÌÅÒÅ.ìÉÞÎÏ Õ ÍÅÎÑ, ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌØÎÏ ÂÙÓÔÒÏ ÜÔÏ ÐÏÌÕÞÉÌÏÓØ ÔÁË:
asm("movlw 1"); L1: asm("xorwf PORTA"); goto L1;
Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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Hello, Yuriy K !
ïÞÅ×ÉÄÎÑ ÞÕÛØ. ñ ÐÒÏÓÉÌ ÒÅÁÌØÎÙÅ ÃÉÆÒÙ ÏÔ ×ÎÅÛÎÅÇÏ R-C. ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ×.
äÏÂÒÏÇÏ ÚÄÏÒÏ×ØÑ, Vladimir!
07 Jul 04 18:25, Vladimir Vassilevsky ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ ÄÌÑ Yuriy K:
HZ>>> á ×ÏÔ ÐÁÒÁÎÏÉÄÁÌØÎÙÊ ÕÒÏ×ÅÎØ ÐÒÏ×ÅÒÏË - HZ>>> ÎÅ ÅÓÔØ ×ÓÅÇÄÁ ÈÏÒÏÛÁÑ ÉÄÅÑ. YK>> ðÒÅÄÕÐÒÅÖÄÅÎÉÊ ÂÙÔØ ÎÅ ÄÏÌÖÎÏ. óÏ×ÓÅÍ. VV> ÷ÓÅ-ÔÁËÉ, ÐÁÒÁÎÏÉÄÁÌØÎÙÊ ÕÒÏ×ÅÎØ ÐÒÏ×ÅÒÏË ÚÁÄÁÌÂÙ×ÁÅÔ.
×Ï×ÓÅ ÎÅ ÏÂÑÚÁÔÅÌØÎÏ ÐÏÓÔÏÑÎÎÏ ËÏÍÐÉÌÑÔØ Ó ÐÁÒÁÎÏÉÄÁÌØÎÙÍ ÕÒÏ×ÎÅÍ. ÐÏ-ÍÏÅÍÕ, ÄÏÓÔÁÔÏÞÎÏ ÏÄÉÎ-Ä×Á ÒÁÚÁ × ÎÅÄÅÌÀ ÓÏÂÒÁÔØ ÐÒÏÅËÔ, ÐÒÏÁÎÁÌÉÚÉÒÏ×ÁÔØ ×ÓÅ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ É ÂÌÁÇÏÐÏÌÕÞÎÏ ÐÒÏ ÎÉÈ ÚÁÂÙÔØWBR, óÅÒÇÅÊ. ICQ: 101347299
Hello Alexander.
07 Jul 04 15:06, you wrote to me:AB>> äÌÑ ÍÅÎÑ ÕÐÏÒ × ÔÏÍ, ÞÔÏ ÍÎÏÇÏ ÎÏÖÅË ÐÒÉ ÍÁÌÏÍ ËÏÒÐÕÓÅ, É AB>> ÄÏÓÔÁÔÏÒÞÎÏ ÍÎÏÇÏ ÔÁÊÍÅÒÏ× É ÅÓÔØ ADC. ïúõ ÍÎÏÇÏ. AG> 28 ÎÏÇ (ËÏÒÐÕÓÁ ML É Õ Microchip ÄÁ×ÎÏ ÅÓÔØ, ÎÏ ×ÅÄØ ÇÅÍÏÒÒÏÊÎÙ ÏÎÉ × AG> ÒÁÂÏÔÅ), Ä×Á 8-ÒÁÚÒÑÄÎÙÈ É ÏÄÉÎ 16-ÒÁÚÒÑÄÎÙÊ ÔÁÊÍÅÒÙ, 256 ÂÁÊÔÏ× AG> ïúõ... úÄÅÓØ ÎÉÞÅÇÏ ÎÅÔ "ÍÎÏÇÏ", ÚÄÅÓØ ×ӣ "ÏÂÙÞÎÏ".
AG> éÌÉ ÜÔÏ ×ӣ ÉÍÅÎÎÏ × ËÏÎÔÅËÓÔÅ $1,5?
äÁ. äÌÑ 1,5$ ÜÔÏ ÍÎÏÇÏ. ðÒÏÓÔÏ ËÔÏ-ÔÏ ×ÙÓËÁÚÁÌ ÍÙÓÌØ, ÞÔÏ ÎÁ õËÒÁÉÎÅ AVR ÄÅÛÅ×ÌÅ, ÞÅÍ PIC, ×ÏÔ Ñ É ÒÅÛÉÌ ÐÒÏ×ÅÒÉÔØ. ôÁËÉ ÄÁ.Alexey
Hello Alexander.
07 Jul 04 21:17, you wrote to me:DO>>> ëÓÔÁÔÉ, Ó ËÁËÏÊ ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌØÎÏÊ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÊ DO>>> ÕÍÅÀÔ ÁÔÍÅÌÏ×ÓËÉÅ ËÒÉÓÔÁÌÌÙ ÍÁÈÁÔØ ÎÏÖËÏÊ ÏÔ R-C (×ÎÅÛÎÅÇÏ)? AB>> ËÏÍÁÎÄÙ sbi/cbi ×ÙÐÏÌÎÑÀÔÓÑ 2 ÔÁËÔÁ, ÔÁË ËÁË Read-Modify-Write. AB>> åÓÌÉ HÕÖÎÏ ÂÙÓÔÒÅÅ, ÔÏÇÄÁ ËÏÍÁÎÄÏÊ out - 1 ÔÁËÔ, ÎÏ ÅÊ ÎÕÖÎÏ AB>> ÄÁÎÎÙÅ ÓÎÁÞÁÌÁ ÐÒÉÇÏÔÏ×ÉÔØ. (out - ÐÉÛÅÔ ÂÁÊÔ × ÐÏÒÔ, sbi/cpi - AB>> ÉÍÅÎÑÀÔ ÏÄÉÎ ÂÉÔ) AB>>
AB>> ðÏ ÐÏ×ÏÄÕ ×ÎÅÛÎÅÇÏ R-C, ÔÏ ÎÕÖÎÏ ÞÉÔÁÔØ External RC Oscillator AB>> AppNote (Õ ÍÅÎÑ ÅÇÏ ÎÅÔ), ÎÏ ÐÏÈÏÖÅ, ÞÔÏ ÅÇÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÚÁÐÕÓÔÉÔØ ÎÁ AB>> ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌØÎÏÊ ÄÌÑ ÞÉÐÁ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÅ. (äÌÑ atmega48/88/168 - 20MHz) F = AB>> 1/(3RC), C >= 22pF AT> äÌÑ ÐÉËÁ, ÎÁ 4ÍÇÃ, ÍÁËÓ. ÞÁÓÔÏÔÁ ÍÁÈÁÎÉÑ ÎÏÖËÏÊ - ~180ËÇÃ.
é ÞÅÇÏ ÜÔÁ ÃÉÆÒÁ ÂÅÒÅÔÓÑ? ôÏÇÄÁ ÄÌÑ AVR ÔÁË:loop: sbi PORT, bit ; 2 cbi PORT, bit ; 2 rjmp loop ; 2
éÔÏÇÏ, ÄÌÑ 1 MHz: 1000000/6 = 166Ëçà åÓÌÉ ÎÕÖÎÏ ÂÙÓÔÒÅÅ: loop: out PORT, r1 ; 1 out PORT, r2 ; 1 rjmp loop ; 2 1000000/4 = 250Ëçà ôÏÌØËÏ ÇÌÕÐÙÊ ÜÔÏ ÂÅÎÞÍÁÒË.ps: èÏÔÑ, × ÏÄÎÏÍ ÐÒÏÅËÔÅ Õ ÍÅÎÑ ÓÔÏÉÔ atmega8 Ó ×ÎÅÛÎÉÍ ãáð, ÔÏÌØËÏ ÄÌÑ ÆÏÒÍÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÑ ÓÉÇÎÁÌÁ ÎÁ ãáð, É ÔÁÍ Ñ ×ÓÅ ÔÁËÔÙ ÓÞÉÔÁÌ, É ÚÁÍÅÎÑÌ sbi ÎÁ out.
Alexey
Hello Vladislav.
07 Jul 04 14:13, you wrote to me:AB>> á ÍÎÏÇÏ ÌÉ ÚÁÄÁÞ, ÔÒÅÂÕÀÝÉÈ ÉÚÍÅÒÅÎÉÑ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÙ Ó ÔÁËÉÍ ÄÉÁÐÁÚÏÎÏÍ? VB> ôÏ ÔÅÂÅ ÍÁÌÏ up 20 MHz, ÔÏ "ÍÎÏÇÏ ÌÉ ÚÁÄÁÞ"... ôÙ ÕÖ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÉÓØ, pls.
HÅ, Ñ ÉÍÅÌ × ×ÉÄÕ, ÞÔÏ ÄÌÑ ÐÒÉÂÏÒÁ "ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÍÅÒ", 20MHz - ÍÁÌÏ, Á ÄÌÑ ÉÚÍÅÒÅÎÉÑ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÙ × ÓÏÓÔÁ×Å ËÁËÏÊ-ÔÏ ÄÒÕÇÏÊ ÚÁÄÁÞÉ - ÍÎÏÇÏ.
VB> ÷ÏÔ Ñ, Ë ÐÒÉÍÅÒÕ, ÓÄÅÌÁÌ ÕÖÅ ÔÒÉ ÒÁÚÎÏÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÙÈ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÍÅÒÁ.
úÎÁÞÉÔ, Õ ÔÅÂÑ ÐÏÐÁÄÁÀÔÓÑ ÞÁÝÅ ÔÁËÉÅ ÚÁÄÁÞÉ.Alexey
Hello George.
07 Jul 04 18:39, you wrote to Artem Kamburov:AK>> ÷Ù×ÏÄ - ÈÒÁÎÉ ÂÉÔÏ×ÙÅ ÆÌÁÇÉ × òïH (32 ÛÔÕËÉ ÉÌÉ 16 ÓÔÁÒÛÉÈ)... GS> âÉÔÏ×ÙÅ ÆÌÁÇÉ AVR'Ï×ÓËÉÈ _ÐÏÒÔÏ×_ ÔÙ ÔÕÄÁ _ÆÉÚÉÞÅÓËÉ_ ÎÅ ÐÏÍÅÓÔÉÛØ.
é ÎÅ ÎÁÄÏ. äÌÑ ÐÏÒÔÏ× É ÄÒÕÇÉÈ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ× ÓÐÅÃÉÁÌØÎÙÈ ÆÕÎËÃÉÊ Õ AVR ÅÓÔØ ÏÔÄÅÌØÎÙÅ ËÏÍÁÎÄÙ(in/out, sbi/cbi, sbic/sbrc), ËÏÔÏÒÙÅ ÚÁÎÉÍÁÀÔ ÍÅÎØÛÅ É ÒÁÂÏÔÁÀÔ ÂÙÓÔÒÅÅ, ÞÅÍ ÏÂÙÞÎÉÅ ËÏÍÁÎÄÙ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÁ Ë ÐÁÍÑÔÉ.GS> é ÂÉÔÏ×ÙÅ ÔÁÂÌÉÞËÉ ÎÅ ×ÌÅÚÕÔ,
âÉÔÏ×ÙÅ ÔÁÂÌÉÞËÉ ÎÅ ×ÌÅÚÕÔ. á ÆÌÁÇÉ - ×ÐÏÌÎÅ. ëÏÇÄÁ Ñ ÐÉÓÁÌ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÕ ÎÁ ÁÓÓÅÍÂÌÅÒÅ, ÐÏÌÏ×ÉÎÁ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ× ÂÙÌÁ ÒÁÓÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÁ ÐÏÄ ÐÅÒÅÍÅÎÎÙÅ É ÆÌÁÇÉ, ÐÏÌÏ×ÉÎÁ - ÒÁÂÏÞÉÅ.GS> ÓÌÉÛËÏÍ ÕÖ ËÒÏÛÅÞÎÏÅ ÐÒÏÓÔÒÁÎÓÔ×Ï ÜÔÉ GS> 32 ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÁ (Ë ÔÏÍÕ ÖÅ ÎÅËÏÔÏÒÙÅ ÉÚ ÎÉÈ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÀÔÓÑ ÄÌÑ ÄÒÕÇÉÈ ÃÅÌÅÊ GS> É ÈÒÁÎÉÔØ ÔÁÍ ÄÁÎÎÙÅ ÎÅ ÐÏÌÕÞÉÔÓÑ).
óÁÍÉ ÐÏ ÓÅÂÅ - ÎÅ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÀÔÓÑ. ôÏÌØËÏ ÜÔÏ ÕÖÅ ÏÞÅÎØ ÎÉÚËÏÕÒÏ×ÎÅ×ÁÑ ÏÐÔÉÍÉÚÁÃÉÑ, ÒÅÄËÏ ËÔÏ ÔÁËÉÍ ÚÁÎÉÍÁÅÔÓÑ.AK>> è__Ï×ÙÅ ÔÁÍ ÃÅÎÙ. ðÏÞÔÉ ÎÁ ×ÓÅ, ÞÔÏ Ñ ÕÓÐÅÌ ÐÒÏÓÍÏÔÒÅÔØ. õ ÎÁÓ ÎÁ AK>> ÒÁÄÉÏÂÁÚÁÒÅ É ÔÏ ÄÅÛÅ×ÌÅ GS> èÁÒØËÏ× - ÎÅ ëÉÅ×.
á èÍÅÌØÎÉÃËÉÊ ÎÅ èÁÒØËÏ×.Alexey
Hello George.
07 Jul 04 18:43, you wrote to me:AB>> åÓÌÉ ÍÅÔÏÄ ÉÚÍÅÒÅÎÉÑ - ÐÏÄÓÞÅÔ ÞÉÓÌÁ ÉÍÐÕÌØÓÏ× ÚÁ ÅÄÉÎÉÃÕ ×ÒÅÍÅÎÉ AB>> - ÔÏ ×ÓÅ ÕÐÉÒÁÅÔÓÑ × ÞÁÓÔÏÔÕ, Á ÎÅ ÛÉÒÉÎÕ ÔÁÊÍÅÒÁ. GS> HÅÏÂÈÏÄÉÍÏÓÔØ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÎÏÊ ÜÍÕÌÑÃÉÉ "ÛÉÒÏËÏÇÏ" ÔÁÊÍÅÒÁ ÓÎÉÖÁÅÔ ÒÁÂÏÞÕÀ GS> ÞÁÓÔÏÔÕ. é × ÌÀÂÏÍ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ ÁÐÐÁÒÁÔÎÙÊ ÔÁÊÍÅÒ × PIC ÒÁÂÏÔÁÅÔ ÎÁ ÇÏÒÁÚÄÏ GS> ÂÏÌØÛÉÈ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÁÈ, ÞÅÍ ÍÏÖÅÔ ÏÔÒÁÂÁÔÙ×ÁÔØ AVR...
ñ ÐÏÎÑÌ × ÞÅÍ ÐÒÏÂÌÅÍÁ. HÏ ÄÁ×ÁÊ ÓÞÉÔÁÔØ. 180MHz/256 = 700kHz. þÔÏ ðéë ÎÅ ÕÓÐÅÅÔ Ó ÔÁËÏÊ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÊ ÉÎËÒÅÍÅÎÔÉÒÏ×ÁÔØ ÓÔÁÒÛÕÀ ÞÁÓÔØ ÓÞÅÔÞÉËÁ?GS>>> íÅÖÄÕ ÐÒÏÞÉÍ, ÏÞÅÎØ ÕÄÏÂÎÁÑ ÛÔÕËÁ. íÁÌÅÎØËÉÊ ÄÅۣ×ÙÊ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÍÅÒ. GS>>> ÷ÓÔÒÏÅÎÎÙÊ × M890F ÍÅÎÑ ÎÅ ÕÓÔÒÁÉ×ÁÅÔ, 20 Ëçà - ÜÔÏ ÏÔËÒÏ×ÅÎÎÏ GS>>> ÍÁÌÏ. AB>> ëÕÐÉ ÔÅÓÔÅÒ UNI-T UT70B (~70$) GS> PIC ÓÔÏÉÔ ÏËÏÌÏ ÂÁËÓÁ. õÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï × ÓÂÏÒÅ - ÂÁËÓÁ ÔÒÉ-ÞÅÔÙÒÅ. ñ×ÎÁÑ GS> ÜËÏÎÏÍÉÑ.
á ÒÁÂÏÔÁÅÛØ ÔÙ ÂÅÓÐÌÁÔÎÏ? á ÅÝÅ ÄÏÂÁ×Ø ÔÕÄÁ ×ÏÌØÔÍÅÔÒ, ÁÍÐÅÒÍÅÔÒ, ÏÍÍÅÔÒ, ÔÅÒÍÏÍÅÔÒ, ÐÒÏÚ×ÏÎËÕ ÄÉÏÄÏ×, É ÉÎÔÅÒÆÅÊÓ RS-232. óËÏÌØËÏ ÏÎ ÔÏÇÄÁ ÂÕÄÅÔ ÓÔÏÉÔØ?AB>> ôÁÍ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÍÅÒ ÎÁ 400MHz. á ÎÁ ÐÉËÁÈ ÄÅÌÁÊ ÞÔÏ-ÔÏ ÄÒÕÇÏÅ. GS> þÔÏ ÈÏÞÕ, ÔÏ É ÄÅÌÁÀ ;)
äÁ ËÔÏ Ö ÓÐÏÒÉÔ. ;)AB>> éÂÏ, ÞÔÏ 20kHz, ÞÔÏ 10MHz, ÞÔÏ 20Mhz - ÜÔÏ ÍÁÌÏ ÄÌÑ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÍÅÒÁ. GS> ó ÞÅÇÏ ÂÙ ÜÔÏ? ñ ÓÅÊÞÁÓ Ó ÓÉÌÏ×ÙÍÉ ÐÒÅÏÂÒÁÚÏ×ÁÔÅÌÑÍÉ ÒÁÂÏÔÁÀ, ×ÙÛÅ GS> ÍÅÇÁÇÅÒÃÁ ÍÅÒÑÔØ ÎÅ ÎÕÖÎÏ (ÐÒÏ ÚÁÐÁÓ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÄÏ 10-30 íçà GS> ÐÒÅÄÕÓÍÏÔÒÅÔØ). á ×ÏÔ 20 Ëçà - Ñ×ÎÏ ÍÁÌÏ :-(
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Hello Rifkat.
07 Jul 04 14:55, you wrote to me:AB>> ôÅÍ ÎÅ ÍÅÎÅÅ, ÁÄÒÅÓÎÏÅ ÐÒÏÓÔÒÁÎÓÔ×Ï ÄÁÎÎÙÈ ÏÄÎÏ, ÌÉÎÅÊÎÏÅ. AB>> ÷ ÏÔÌÉÞÉÅ ÏÔ x51, Ó ÅÇÏ data/idata/xdata, É ðéë, ÇÄÅ áð ÂØÅÔÓÑ ÎÁ AB>> ÓÔÒÁÎÉÃÙ. RA> × 18 ÐÉËÁÈ ÕÖÅ ÎÅ ÂØÅÔÓÑ.
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Hello Dima.
07 Jul 04 17:20, you wrote to me:òÁÓÞÅÔ × ÄÒÕÇÏÍ ÐÉÓØÍÅ Ë áô.
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DO> åÓÌÉ ÚÁÄÁÞÁ ÔÒÅÂÕÅÔ ÒÁÂÏÔÙ Ó ÂÏÌØÛÉÍÉ ÍÁÓÓÉ×ÁÍÉ AVR ÕÄÏÂÎÅÊ DO> É ÂïÌØÛÉÍ ÏÂßÅÍÏÍ É ÚÎÁÞÉÔÅÌØÎÏ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÇÉÂËÏÊ ÁÄÒÅÓÁÃÉÅÊ. HÏ ÅÓÌÉ DO> ÚÁÄÁÞÁ ÄÒÕÇÁÑ, ÐÒÅÉÍÕÝÅÓÔ×Á ÏÂÏÒÁÞÉ×ÁÀÔÓÑ ÎÅÄÏÓÔÁÔËÁÍÉ.
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Alexey
÷ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ.
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÷ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ.
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÷ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ.
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Hello Alex.
07 Jul 04 19:33, you wrote to Harry Zhurov:AM>>> test.c: In function `SomeFunction': AM>>> test.c:7: warning: array subscript has type `char' HZ>> á ÜÔÏ ÞÔÏ ÚÁ ÐÒÅÄÕÐÒÅÖÄÅÎÉÅ? AM> ëÏÍÐÉÌÑÔÏÒ ÓÞÉÔÁÅÔ, ÞÔÏ ÐÅÒÅÍÅÎÎÁÑ ÔÉÐÁ char ÐÒÅÄÎÁÚÎÁÞÅÎÁ ÄÌÑ AM> ÈÒÁÎÅÎÉÑ ÓÉÍ×ÏÌÏ×, É ÐÏÄÏÚÒÅ×ÁÅÔ, ÞÔÏ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÎÉÅ ÅÅ × ËÁÞÅÓÔ×Å AM> ÉÎÄÅËÓÁ ÍÁÓÓÉ×Á - ÏÛÉÂËÁ. äÌÑ ÜÔÏÇÏ ÏÂÙÞÎÏ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÀÔ ÔÉÐ int. :)
ñ ËÏÍÐÉÌÉÒÕÀ Ó -Wall -Wno-char-subscripts ;)Alexey
AK>> > А как паяют tqfp? AK>>
AK>> Reflow (горячим воздухом). Технология не позволяет за одну операцию AK>> припаять и SMD и трухолы.
AK> А чего вдруг TQFP волной не паяют? Шаг вроде как крупный - 1мм.
у pic18f8720 tqfp80 - шаг 0.5мм
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