AVR vs PIC

Jun 20, 2004 Last reply: 21 years ago 988 Replies
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Artem!

Friday July 09 2004 11:18, Artem Kamburov wrote to Alexander Golov:

AK> ü... üÔÏ ÔÏ PIC18F2331, ËÏÔÏÒÙÊ ÎÁ ÓÁÊÔÅ íÉËÒÏÞÉÐ ÕËÁÚÁÎ × ÃÅÎÅ 5,2$ ?

çÄÅ ÉÍÅÎÎÏ ÜÔÏ ÕËÁÚÁÎÏ ÎÁ ÓÁÊÔÅ íÉËÒÏÞÉÐÁ? ñ ÞÔÏ-ÔÏ ÎÅ ÎÁÛÅÌ.

AK> í-ÄÁ... ëÏÇÄÁ ×ÓÅ ÉÚÄÅÌÉÅ ÏÂÑÚÁÎÏ ×ÍÅÓÔÉÔØÓÑ × ÓÅÂÅÓÔÏÉÍÏÓÔØ 10-20$ É

ÐÒÉ ËÁËÏÍ ÔÉÒÁÖÅ?

AK> ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏ ÐÒÅ×ÏÓÈÏÄÉÔØ ÂÏÌØÛÉÎÓÔ×Ï (ÉÌÉ ×ÓÅ) ÉÚÄÅÌÉÊ ÄÁÎÎÏÇÏ AK> ËÌÁÓÓÁ AK> ÃÅÎÁ ÔÏÞÎÏ ÉÍÅÅÔ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÅ.

åÝÅ ÉÍÅÅÔ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÅ ÔÉÒÁÖ ÉÚÄÅÌÉÑ.

Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com

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Hello George.

08 Jul 04 11:28, you wrote to me:

AB>> ôÅÍ ÎÅ ÍÅÎÅÅ, ÁÄÒÅÓÎÏÅ ÐÒÏÓÔÒÁÎÓÔ×Ï ÄÁÎÎÙÈ ÏÄÎÏ, ÌÉÎÅÊÎÏÅ. GS> ôÏÌØËÏ ÐÒÉ _ËÏÓ×ÅÎÎÏÊ_ ÁÄÒÅÓÁÃÉÉ.

é ÐÒÉ ÐÒÑÍÏÊ - ÔÏÖÅ. ïÄÎÁËÏ, ÉÍÅÎÎÏ ÐÒÉ ËÏÓ×ÎÎÏÊ ÁÄÒÅÓÁÃÉÉ ÌÉÎÅÊÎÏÓÔØ ÐÁÍÑÔÉ ×ÏÓÔÒÅÂÏ×ÁÎÁ ÂÏÌØÛÅ ×ÓÅÇÏ. ðÏÓÍÏÔÒÉ ËÁÒÔÕ ÐÁÍÑÔÉ AVR-Á.

AB>> ÷ ÏÔÌÉÞÉÅ ÏÔ x51, Ó ÅÇÏ data/idata/xdata, GS> üÔÏ ÂÙÌÏ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÎÁÇÌÑÄÎÏ ;)

HÏ ÎÅÕÄÏÂÎÏ.

GS> þÔÏ "ÔÅÍ ÂÏÌÅÅ"? ôÙ ÕÖ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÉÓØ, ÏÔÓÔÁÉ×ÁÅÛØ ÔÙ ÉÄÅÀ, ÞÔÏ ËÏÄ GS> ÏÄÉÎÁËÏ×, ÉÌÉ ÞÔÏ ÄÌÑ ÂÏÌØÛÅÊ ÞÁÓÔÉ ËÏÄÁ ÔÒÅÂÕÀÔÓÑ ÌÉÛÎÉÅ ÄÅÊÓÔ×ÉÑ?..

ïÔÓÔÁÉ×ÁÀ ÉÄÅÀ, ÞÔÏ Ô×ÏÅ ×ÙÓËÁÚÙ×ÁÎÉÅ ÐÒÏ "ÉÄÉÏÔÓËÕÀ ÏÒÇÁÎÉÚÁÃÉÀ ÐÁÍÑÔÉ" ÎÅ ÉÍÅÅÔ ÐÏÄ ÓÏÂÏÊ ÏÓÎÏ×ÁÎÉÊ.

AB>> HÏ ÏÂÙÞÎÏ ÄÌÑ AVR ÐÉÛÕÔ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÙ, ËÁË ÄÌÑ ÏÂÙÞÎÏÇÏ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ×ÏÇÏ AB>> ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓÏÒÁ, GS> ...É ÏÂÒÁÂÁÔÙ×ÁÅÍÙÅ ÄÁÎÎÙÅ × ÏÓÎÏ×ÎÏÍ ÈÒÁÎÑÔ ÏÔÄÅÌØÎÏ ÏÔ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ×...

HÕ ÄÁ.

AB>> Ô.Å. ÓÞÉÔÁÌ ÄÁÎÎÙÅ × ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒ, ÐÏÒÁÂÏÔÁÌ Ó ÎÉÍÉ, ÚÁÐÉÓÁÌ ÎÁÚÁÄ. GS> éÍÅÎÎÏ Ï ÜÔÏÍ "ÖÏÎÇÌÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÉ" É ÛÌÁ ÒÅÞØ × ÉÓÈÏÄÎÏÍ ÐÉÓØÍÅ. é ÚÁÞÅÍ GS> ÂÙÌÏ ÓÐÏÒÉÔØ?

üÔÏ ÎÏÒÍÁÌØÎÙÊ dataflow ÄÌÑ ÂÏÌØÛÉÎÓÔ×Á ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓÏÒÏ×.

AB>>>> á ÚÄÅÓØ ÓËÏÌØËÏ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÎÏ ÞÅÒÅÚ btfsc? GS>>> _÷ӣ_ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÎÏ. AB>> äÁ, ÔÏÌØËÏ "×ÓÅÇÏ" ÍÁÌÏ. GS> ï ޣÍ ÜÔÏ ÔÙ? ÷ӣ ÞÔÏ ÅÓÔØ - ÄÏÓÔÕÐÎÏ. âÏÌØÛÅ ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ÎÅ ÂÙ×ÁÅÔ! ;)

á Õ á÷ò - ÂÙ×ÁÅÔ É ÂÏÌØÛÅ. íÏÖÎÏ 64ë ×ÎÅÛÎÅÇÏ ïúõ ÐÏÄËÌÀÞÉÔØ. ëÏÄ ÎÅ ÉÚÍÅÎÉÔÓÑ.

GS>>> ÷ AVR ÐÏÒÔÙ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÎÙ ÌÉÛØ ÄÌÑ ÞÔÅÎÉÑ/ÚÁÐÉÓÉ, Á Õ PIC ÜÔÏ GS>>> ÐÏÌÎÏÃÅÎÎÙÅ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÙ. AB>> õ ðéë, ×ÒÏÄÅ ×ÓÅÇÏ ÏÄÉÎ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒ. GS> ÷ÎÉÍÁÔÅÌØÎÏ ÐÏÓÍÏÔÒÉ ÓÉÓÔÅÍÕ ËÏÍÁÎÄ PIC'Ï×!

òÁÚ×Å ÏÄÉÎ ÉÚ ÏÐÅÒÁÎÄÏ× ÎÅ ÄÏÌÖÅÎ ÂÙÔØ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒ W? üÔÏ ÖÅ ËÁËÏÅ "ÖÏÎÇÌÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÅ" ÐÏÌÕÞÁÅÔÓÑ ÞÅÒÅÚ ÅÄÉÎÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÊ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒ!

AB>> ñ ÐÏÓÌÅ x51 ÂÁÌÄÅÌ ÏÔ ÓÉÓÔÅÍÙ ËÏÍÁÎÄ AVR. GS> ôÅÂÅ ÂÙ Ó PDP-II ÄÌÑ ÎÁÞÁÌÁ ÐÏÒÁÂÏÔÁÔØ...

HÅ ÚÁÓÔÁÌ. HÏ ÅÓÌÉ PDP-11 ÓÈÏÄÎÁ Ó msp430 ÔÏÇÄÁ ÏÞÅÎØ ÄÁÖÅ ÎÉÞÅÇÏ. HÏ áòí ÅÝÅ ÐÒÑÍÅÅ.

AB>> ëÏÇÄÁ ÔÁËÏÅ ÂÙÌÏ? GS> ðÏÓÔÏÑÎÎÏ Ó ÜÔÉÍ ÓÔÁÌËÉ×ÁÀÓØ. "èÏÒÏÛÉÊ" ÓÉÛÎÙÊ ËÏÍÐÉÌÑÔÏÒ ÄÌÑ AVR GS> ÐÒÏÔÉ× ÇÒÁÍÏÔÎÏÇÏ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÑ ÎÁ ÁÓÓÅÍÂÌÅÒÅ ÄÌÑ PIC'Á.

ëÁËÏÊ ÔÏÞÎÙÊ ÐÒÉÍÅÒ. á ÅÓÌÉ ÎÁÏÂÏÒÏÔ? ;)

AB>> HÕ, ÎÅ ÚÎÁÀ. ëÁË-ÔÏ ÐÌÁÎÉÒÏ×ÁÔØ ÒÁÂÏÔÕ ÎÁÄÏ, ÞÔÏ ÌÉ. GS> çÁÄÁÌËÕ × ÛÔÁÔÅ ÓÏÄÅÒÖÁÔØ? ;)

HÕ, ÅÓÌÉ ÄÌÑ ÔÅÂÑ ÜÔÏ ÅÄÉÎÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ ÒÅÛÅÎÉÅ, ÔÏ ÐÏÞÅÍÕ ÂÙ É ÎÅÔ ;)

Alexey

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Hello George.

08 Jul 04 11:29, you wrote to me:

AB>> HÕ ËÁË ÚÎÁÅÛØ. íÏÖÅÔ ÔÅÂÅ íÏÓË×Á ÂÌÉÖÅ. á ÍÎÅ ÂÌÉÖÅ ëÉÅ×. é ×ÓÅ AB>> ÕÄÁÅÔÓÑ ËÕÐÉÔØ ÔÁÍ. ÷ èÍÅÌØÎÉÃËÏÍ ×ÏÏÂÝÅ ÎÅÔ ÎÉ ÏÄÎÏÇÏ ÐÏÓÔÁ×ÝÉËÁ AB>> ÜÌÅËÔÒÏÎÎÙÈ ËÏÍÐÏÎÅÎÔÏ×, ÔÁË ÞÔÏ, ÔÅÐÅÒØ, ×ÏÏÂÝÅ ÎÅ ÒÁÂÏÔÁÔØ? GS> éÌÉ ÏÔËÒÙÔØ Ó×ÏÀ ÆÉÒÍÕ ÐÏ ÔÏÒÇÏ×ÌÅ ËÏÍÐÏÎÅÎÔÁÍÉ? ;)

âÙÌÁ ÔÁËÁÑ ÉÄÅÑ. ôÏÌØËÏ ÔÏÒÇÏ×ÁÔØ ÎÅËÏÍÕ ;) ôÅ ÐÁÒÕ ÆÉÒÍ, ËÏÔÏÒÙÍ ÎÕÖÎÙ ÜÌ. ËÏÍÐÏÎÅÎÔÙ, ÂÅÚ ÚÁÚÒÅÎÉÑ ÓÏ×ÅÓÔÉ ÂÕÒÕÔ ÉÈ × ëÉÅ×Å. HÁÍ ÄÁÖÅ ÉÎÏÇÄÁ ÏÄÎÏÊ ÐÏÓÙÌËÏÊ ×ÙÓÙÌÁÀÔ.

AB>> ðÏÞÅÍÕ ÖÅ ÔÏÌØËÏ ÔÅÐÅÒØ ÏÎÉ ÓÔÁÌÉ ÄÅÛÅ×Ù? GS> HÅ ÚÎÁÀ, Õ ÎÁÓ ÏÎÉ ÄÏÒÏÖÅ...

÷ ÇÏÓÕÄÁÒÓÔ×Å èÁÒØËÏ×Å? ;)

GS>>> ÷ÏÔ ÔÏÌØËÏ Ó ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏÓÔØÀ ÂÙÌÉ ÐÒÏÂÌÅÍÙ É ÂÁÇÏ× ÍÎÏÇÏ. AB>> HÅ ÍÎÏÇÏ. ñ ÎÁÒ×ÁÌÓÑ ÔÏÌØËÏ ÎÁ ÓÔÉÒÁÎÉÅ IDCODE ÐÒÉ AB>> ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÉ. GS> üÒÒÁÔÙ ÐÏÇÌÑÄÉ.

HÕ ÇÌÑÎÕÌ ÎÁ atmega8. ÆÕÚÅ CKOPT ÎÅ ×ËÌÀÞÁÅÔ ×ÎÕÔÒÅÎÉÅ ËÏÎÄÅÎÓÁÔÏÒÙ ÎÁ XTALn/OSCn

Workaround:

ãÅÐÌÑÊÔÅ ×ÎÅÛÎÉÅ ËÏÎÄÅÎÓÁÔÏÒÙ. þÔÏ ÔÕÔ ÔÁËÏÇÏ ÓÔÒÁÛÎÏÇÏ?

AB>>>> ëÁË ÓËÁÚÁÔØ. õ AVR ÞÉÐÏ× ÍÅÎØÛÅ, ËÁÖÄÙÊ ÞÉÐ ÐÏËÒÙ×ÁÅÔ ÂÏÌØÛÅ AB>>>> ÚÁÄÁÞ. é ÐÅÒÅÅÚÖÁÔØ Ó ÏÄÎÏÇÏ ÎÁ ÄÒÕÇÏÊ ÞÉÐ ÓÅÍÅÊÓÔ×Á ÐÒÉÈÏÄÉÔÓÑ AB>>>> ÒÅÖÅ. GS>>> üÔÏ ÎÅ ÐÒÅÉÍÕÝÅÓÔ×Ï, Á _ÎÅÄÏÓÔÁÔÏË_. HÏÍÅÎËÌÁÔÕÒÁ PIC'Ï× ÛÉÒÅ É GS>>> ÐÅÒÅÈÏÄ Ó ÏÄÎÏÇÏ ÎÁ ÄÒÕÇÏÊ - ÐÒÏÝÅ. AB>> HÕ, Á × ÓÌÕÞÁÅ AVR ×ÏÏÂÝÅ ÍÏÖÅÔ ÎÅ ÐÏÎÁÄÏÂÉÔÓÑ ÐÅÒÅÈÏÄ. GS> íÏÖÅÔ ÐÏÎÁÄÏÂÉÔØÓÑ ÐÅÒÅÈÏÄ ÎÁ PIC ;)

åÓÔØ ðéë Ó Ä×ÕÍÑ Input Capture ÎÁ ÏÄÎÏÍ 16-ÂÉÔÎÏÍ ÔÁÊÍÅÒÅ?

Alexey

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Hello Artem.

09 Jul 04 10:17, you wrote to Dima Orlov:

õ ÍÅÎÑ 18ÓÍ. á Õ ÔÅÂÑ?

Alexey

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Hello, Artem Kamburov !

HÅ ÄÕÍÁÀ, ÞÔÏ ÏÎ ×ÏÏÂÝÅ ÚÎÁÅÔ ÞÔÏ ÔÁËÏÅ ÐÁÒÔÉÑ.

ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ×.
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Hello, Artem Kamburov !

äÁ ÎÅ Ï ÞÅÍ ÔÕÔ ÓÐÏÒÉÔØ. ÷ÓÅ, ÞÔÏ Ó ÍÅÎØÛÉÍ ÞÅÍ Õ ÏÂÙÞÎÏÇÏ SOIC ÒÁÓÓÔÏÑÎÉÅÍ ÍÅÖÄÕ ÐÅÄÁÍÉ (Á ÉÍÅÎÎÏ ÏÎÏ ×ÁÖÎÏ, Á ÎÅ ÛÁÇ) ×ÏÌÎÏÊ ÐÁÑÔØ ÓÔÒÅÍÎÏ. HÁ ÏÄÎÏÍ ÚÁ×ÏÄÅ ÍÏÖÎÏ, ÎÁ ÄÒÕÇÏÍ - ÎÅÔ, Á ÐÏÔÏÍÕ × ÎÁÛÅÍ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ÎÅÔ. óÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ ÎÉ ÍÅÇÕ ÎÉ ÐÉËÉ ÎÉ ÄÒÕÇÉÅ ÁÎÁÌÏÇÉÞÎÙÅ ËÏÎÔÒÏÌÌÅÒÙ × ÔÁËÉÈ ËÏÒÐÕÓÁÈ ×ÍÅÓÔÅ Ó ÔÒÕÈÏÌÁÍÉ ÐÁÑÔØ ÎÅ ÐÏÌÕÞÉÔÓÑ. ðÒÏ MLF, BGA etc. - ÄÁÖÅ ÎÅ Ï ÞÅÍ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔØ. äÁÖÅ Ó ÏÂÙÞÎÙÍÉ SS, SOT23, 0805 ÐÒÉÈÏÄÉÔÓÑ ËÏÎÓÕÌØÔÉÒÏ×ÁÔØÓÑ Ó ÔÅÈÎÏÌÏÇÁÍÉ É ÕÞÉÔÙ×ÁÔØ ÉÈ ÒÅËÏÍÅÎÄÁÃÉÉ ÐÏ ÏÒÉÅÎÔÁÃÉÉ É ×ÚÁÉÍÎÏÍÕ ÒÁÓÐÏÌÏÖÅÎÉÀ ÜÌÅÍÅÎÔÏ×. éÌÉ ÄÅÌÁÔØ Ä×Å ÐÌÁÔÙ. ïÄÎÁ ÐÁÑÅÔÓÑ ÒÅÆÌÏÕ, ×ÔÏÒÁÑ - ×ÏÌÎÏÊ, ÐÒÉ ÜÔÏÍ ÐÅÒ×ÁÑ ×ÔÙËÁÅÔÓÑ ×Ï ×ÔÏÒÕÀ. HÏ É ÔÕÔ ÐÒÉÈÏÄÉÔÓÑ ÏÒÉÅÎÔÉÒÏ×ÁÔØÓÑ ÎÅ ÎÁ ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌØÎÙÅ ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔÉ ÔÅÈÎÏÌÏÇÉÉ, Á ÎÁ ÄÏÓÔÁÔÏÞÎÏ ÓÒÅÄÎÉÅ - ÏÎÉ ÄÅÛÅ×ÌÅ. é ÅÝÅ ÅÓÔØ ÏÇÒÏÍÎÙÅ ÐÒÏÂÌÅÍÙ Ó ËÅÒÁÍÉÞÅÓËÉÍÉ ËÏÎÄÅÎÓÁÔÏÒÁÍÉ ÎÁÞÉÎÁÑ Ó 1206, ÏÓÏÂÅÎÎÏ ×ÙÓÏËÏ×ÏÌØÔÎÙÍÉ. ðÏ ÎÅÐÏÎÑÔÎÙÍ ÎÏ Ñ×ÎÏ ÔÅÈÎÏÌÏÇÉÞÅÓËÏÇÏ ÈÁÒÁËÔÅÒÁ ÐÒÉÞÉÎÁÍ ÏÎÉ ÉÎÏÇÄÁ ×ÚÒÙ×ÁÀÔÓÑ. ðÏ ÜÔÏÊ ÐÒÉÞÉÎÅ ÎÅËÏÔÏÒÙÅ ÆÉÒÍÙ ×Ï×ÓÅ ÉÈ ÎÅ ÐÒÉÍÅÎÑÀÔ... ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ×.
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÷ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ.

îÕ, ÞÔÏ ÂÙ ÎÅ ÓÉÌØÎÏ ÄÏÌÇÏ ÓÐÏÒÉÔØ:

TQFP32 (íÅÇÁ8,48,...)

32-lead, Thin (1.0mm) Plastic Quad Flatpack (TQFP), 7x7mm body, 2.0mm footprint, 0.8mm pitch. Dimensions in Millimeters and (Inches)* JEDEC STADARD MS-026 ABA

MLF (íÅÇÁ8,48,...)

32M1-A, 32-pad, 5x5x1.0mm body, Lead Pitch 0.50mm Mirco Lead Frame package (MLF) 06/27/01

TSSOP (16F630)

14-Lead Plastic Thin Shrink Small Outline (ST) - 4.4 mm (TSSOP) Pitch 0.65

TQFP44 (18F442,452)

44-Lead Plastic Thin Quad Flatpack (PT) 10x10x1 mm Body, 1.0/0.10 mm Lead Form (TQFP) Pitch 0.80 áÒÔÅÍëáä
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÷ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ.

ôÙ ÄÕÍÁÅÛØ, ÞÔÏ Õ GS ÐÁÒÔÉÑ ÎÁ ÍÎÏÇÏ ÂÏÌØÛÅ 100 ÛÔ? :) áÒÔÅÍëáä
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÷ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ.

ü... üÔÏ ÔÏ PIC18F2331, ËÏÔÏÒÙÊ ÎÁ ÓÁÊÔÅ íÉËÒÏÞÉÐ ÕËÁÚÁÎ × ÃÅÎÅ 5,2$ ? åÓÌÉ ÄÁ, ÔÏ "ÄÅÛÅ×ÌÅ, ÂÙÓÔÒÅÅ, ËÏÍÐÁËÔÎÅÅ" ÓÌÅÇËÁ ÎÅ ÐÏÎÑÌ...
í-ÄÁ... ëÏÇÄÁ ×ÓÅ ÉÚÄÅÌÉÅ ÏÂÑÚÁÎÏ ×ÍÅÓÔÉÔØÓÑ × ÓÅÂÅÓÔÏÉÍÏÓÔØ 10-20$ É ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏ ÐÒÅ×ÏÓÈÏÄÉÔØ ÂÏÌØÛÉÎÓÔ×Ï (ÉÌÉ ×ÓÅ) ÉÚÄÅÌÉÊ ÄÁÎÎÏÇÏ ËÌÁÓÓÁ ÃÅÎÁ ÔÏÞÎÏ ÉÍÅÅÔ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÅ. áÒÔÅÍëáä
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Hello, Yuriy! You wrote to Alexander Torres on Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:50:05 +0400:

YK> äÁ, ÉÍÅÎÎÏ ÔÁË. ÷ÏÐÒÏÓ ÂÙÌ ÚÁÄÁÎ Ï _ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌØÎÏÊ_ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÅ. YK> õÓÌÏ×ÉÑ ÅÅ ÄÏÓÔÉÖÅÎÉÑ ÎÅ ÏÇÏ×ÁÒÉ×ÁÌÉÓØ. :)

îÅ Õ×ÅÒÅÎ, Ñ Åݣ ÔÏÌËÏÍ ÎÅ ÒÁÂÏÔÁÌ Ó avr'Ï×ÓËÉÍÉ ÔÁÊÍÅÒÁÍÉ, ÎÏ ÐÏÄÏÚÒÅ×ÁÀ, ÞÔÏ 4-8íçà (ÐÒÉ ÔÁËÔÏ×ÏÊ 16)ÉÚ ÎÉÈ ×ÙÖÁÔØ ÍÏÖÎÏ. õ ÎÉÈ ÅÓÔØ ÒÅÖÉÍÙ ÉÎ×ÅÒÓÉÉ ÎÏÖËÉ...

Alexander,Derazhne@adic,kiev,ua (replace commas with dots) Alexander Derazhne

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Hello Vladimir.

09 Jul 04 15:49, you wrote to me:

AB>> ðÏÄÏÖÄÉ, Ñ ÂÙ × AVR ÚÁ×ÅÌ ÔÁÊÍÅÒ É Output Compare, ÔÏÇÄÁ ÎÁ 1MHz, AB>> ÂÕÄÅÔ ÍÅÁÎÄÒ 250kHz, ÂÅÚ ÚÁÄÅÊÓÔ×ÉÑ ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓÏÒÁ.

VV> ÷ÏÏÂÝÅ-ÔÏ × AVR ÐÏ Output Compare ÍÏÖÎÏ ÓÄÅÌÁÔØ ÍÅÁÎÄÒ Ó ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÊ VV> CLK/2.

ðÒÏÂÏ×ÁÌ? ñ ÜÔÏÔ ÍÏÍÅÎÔ × ÄÏËÕÍÅÎÔÁÃÉÉ ÞÅÇÏ-ÔÏ ÎÅ ÄÏÇÎÁÌ. åÓÌÉ OCR = 0, ÔÏ ÂÕÄÅÔ toggle ÎÁ ËÁÖÄÏÍ ÔÁËÔÅ?

Alexey

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Artem, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?

þÅÔ×ÅÒÇ éÀÌØ 08 2004 11:04, Artem Kamburov wrote to George Shepelev:

äÅÌÏ × ÔÏÍ, ÞÔÏ PIC18 É PIC12 - Ä×Å ÏÞÅÎØ ÂÏÌØÛÉÅ ÒÁÚÎÉÃÙ. èÏÞÅÔÓÑ ÄÏÖÄÁÔØÓÑ PIC'Á-"×ÏÓØÍÉÎÏÖËÉ" Ó ÁÐÐÁÒÁÔÎÙÍ ÕÍÎÏÖÅÎÉÅÍ É ÐÒÏÞÉÍÉ ÆÉÞÁÍÉ "ÓÔÁÒÛÅÇÏ" ÓÅÍÅÊÓÔ×Á...

çÅÏÒÇÉÊ

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Artem, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?

þÅÔ×ÅÒÇ éÀÌØ 08 2004 11:05, Artem Kamburov wrote to George Shepelev:

õ ×ÁÓ ÐÒÏÂÌÅÍÙ ÓÏ ÓÎÁÂÖÅÎÃÅÍ? þÔÏ-Ö, ÂÙ×ÁÅÔ. HÏ ÐÒÉ ޣÍ ÔÕÔ ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔÉ PIC'Ï×, ÓÏ×ÅÒÛÅÎÎÏ ÎÅÐÏÎÑÔÎÏ...

çÅÏÒÇÉÊ

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Alexey, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?

þÅÔ×ÅÒÇ éÀÌØ 08 2004 11:08, Alexey Boyko wrote to Alexander Golov:

AB> ðÒÏÓÔÏ ËÔÏ-ÔÏ ×ÙÓËÁÚÁÌ ÍÙÓÌØ, ÞÔÏ ÎÁ õËÒÁÉÎÅ AVR ÄÅÛÅ×ÌÅ, ÞÅÍ PIC, ×ÏÔ AB> Ñ É ÒÅÛÉÌ ÐÒÏ×ÅÒÉÔØ. ôÁËÉ ÄÁ.

úÎÁÞÉÔ èÁÒØËÏ× - ÎÅ õËÒÁÉÎÁ. é ÎÁ ÔÏÍ ÓÐÁÓÉÂÏ ;)

çÅÏÒÇÉÊ

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Alexey, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?

þÅÔ×ÅÒÇ éÀÌØ 08 2004 11:25, Alexey Boyko wrote to George Shepelev:

AK>>> ÷Ù×ÏÄ - ÈÒÁÎÉ ÂÉÔÏ×ÙÅ ÆÌÁÇÉ × òïH (32 ÛÔÕËÉ ÉÌÉ 16 ÓÔÁÒÛÉÈ)... GS>> âÉÔÏ×ÙÅ ÆÌÁÇÉ AVR'Ï×ÓËÉÈ _ÐÏÒÔÏ×_ ÔÙ ÔÕÄÁ _ÆÉÚÉÞÅÓËÉ_ ÎÅ GS>> ÐÏÍÅÓÔÉÛØ. AB> é ÎÅ ÎÁÄÏ. äÌÑ ÐÏÒÔÏ× É ÄÒÕÇÉÈ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ× ÓÐÅÃÉÁÌØÎÙÈ ÆÕÎËÃÉÊ Õ AVR AB> ÅÓÔØ ÏÔÄÅÌØÎÙÅ ËÏÍÁÎÄÙ(in/out, sbi/cbi, sbic/sbrc), ËÏÔÏÒÙÅ

...ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÀÔÓÑ ÄÌÑ "ÖÏÎÇÌÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÑ" ÄÁÎÎÙÍÉ É ÚÁÍÅÄÌÑÀÔ ÏÂÝÅÅ ×ÒÅÍÑ ×ÙÐÏÌÎÅÎÉÑ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÙ...

AB> ÚÁÎÉÍÁÀÔ ÍÅÎØÛÅ É ÒÁÂÏÔÁÀÔ ÂÙÓÔÒÅÅ, ÞÅÍ ÏÂÙÞÎÉÅ ËÏÍÁÎÄÙ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÁ Ë AB> ÐÁÍÑÔÉ.

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AB> ëÏÇÄÁ Ñ ÐÉÓÁÌ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÕ ÎÁ ÁÓÓÅÍÂÌÅÒÅ,

ÄÌÑ AVR, ÄÁ?

AB> ÐÏÌÏ×ÉÎÁ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ× ÂÙÌÁ ÒÁÓÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÁ ÐÏÄ ÐÅÒÅÍÅÎÎÙÅ É ÆÌÁÇÉ, ÐÏÌÏ×ÉÎÁ AB> - ÒÁÂÏÞÉÅ.

÷ AVR 32 "ÂÙÓÔÒÙÈ" ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÁ, Õ ÔÅÂÑ ÐÏÌÕÞÉÌÏÓØ ×ÓÅÇÏ ÌÉÛØ 16 ÂÁÊÔ ÐÏÄ ÐÅÒÅÍÅÎÎÙÅ É ÆÌÁÇÉ. üÔÏ ÇÏÄÉÔÓÑ ÔÏÌØËÏ ÄÌÑ _ÏÞÅÎØ_ ÐÒÏÓÔÙÈ ÚÁÄÁÞ. óÒÁ×ÎÉÍ, ÄÌÑ ÐÒÉÍÅÒÁ, Ó ÐÏÐÕÌÑÒÎÙÍÉ PIC16F876/877/87/88: 16 "ÏÂÝÉÈ" ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ× É ÁËËÕÍÕÌÑÔÏÒ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÎÙ ×ÓÅÇÄÁ; ðÌÀÓ Åݣ 80 ÂÁÊÔ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ× É ÐÏÒÔÏ× Ó ÂÙÓÔÒÙÍ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÏÍ. ý£ÌËÎÕÌÉ ÂÉÔÉËÏÍ RP1 × ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÅ STATUS, É Õ ÎÁÓ ÐÏÑ×ÉÌÓÑ ÂÙÓÔÒÙÊ ÄÏÓÔÕÐ Ë ÄÏÐÏÌÎÉÔÅÌØÎÙÍ 96 ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÁÍ, ÐÒÉ ÓÏÈÒÁÎÅÎÉÉ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÁ Ë 16 "ÏÂÝÉÍ" ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÁÍ, ÁËËÕÍÕÌÑÔÏÒÕ, ÐÏÒÔÕ B... ðÒÉ ÇÒÁÍÏÔÎÏÍ ÎÁÐÉÓÁÎÉÉ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍ ÒÁÂÏÔÁ Ó ÄÁÎÎÙÍÉ (× ÔÏÍ ÞÉÓÌÅ ÂÉÔÏ×ÙÍÉ ÍÁÓÓÉ×ÁÍÉ) ÂÕÄÅÔ ÏÞÅÎØ ÂÙÓÔÒÏÊ.

GS>> ÓÌÉÛËÏÍ ÕÖ ËÒÏÛÅÞÎÏÅ ÐÒÏÓÔÒÁÎÓÔ×Ï ÜÔÉ GS>> 32 ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÁ (Ë ÔÏÍÕ ÖÅ ÎÅËÏÔÏÒÙÅ ÉÚ ÎÉÈ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÀÔÓÑ ÄÌÑ ÄÒÕÇÉÈ GS>> ÃÅÌÅÊ É ÈÒÁÎÉÔØ ÔÁÍ ÄÁÎÎÙÅ ÎÅ ÐÏÌÕÞÉÔÓÑ). AB> óÁÍÉ ÐÏ ÓÅÂÅ - ÎÅ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÀÔÓÑ. AB> ôÏÌØËÏ ÜÔÏ ÕÖÅ ÏÞÅÎØ ÎÉÚËÏÕÒÏ×ÎÅ×ÁÑ ÏÐÔÉÍÉÚÁÃÉÑ, ÒÅÄËÏ ËÔÏ ÔÁËÉÍ AB> ÚÁÎÉÍÁÅÔÓÑ.

ïÔÏ-Ö. á Õ PIC'Á ÄÏÓÔÕÐÎÙ ×ÓÅ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÙ, ÏÐÔÉÍÉÚÁÃÉÑ ÚÁËÌÀÞÁÅÔÓÑ × ÇÒÁÍÏÔÎÏÍ "ÒÁÓÐÉÈÉ×ÁÎÉÉ" ÄÁÎÎÙÈ ÐÏ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ×ÙÍ ÂÁÎËÁÍ.

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Alexey, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?

þÅÔ×ÅÒÇ éÀÌØ 08 2004 11:52, Alexey Boyko wrote to Dima Orlov:

ï, ÁÌØÔÅÒÎÁÔÉ×ÎÁÑ ÍÁÔÅÍÁÔÉËÁ! ;-)

AB> ÐÒÏÓÔÒÁÎÓÔ×Ï SFR ÉÍÅÅÔ ÎÁÂÏÒ ËÏÍÁÎÄ Ó 6-ÂÉÔÎÙÍ ÁÄÒÅÓÏÍ.

ðÒÏÓÔÒÁÎÓÔ×Ï SFR - ÜÔÏ ÔÙ ÐÒÏ PIC? ôÏÇÄÁ ÏÔËÕÄÁ ×ÚÑÌÉÓØ 6-ÂÉÔÎÙÅ ÁÄÒÅÓÁ? éÓÐÏÌØÚÕÀÔÓÑ ×ÓÅ 8 ÂÉÔ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÁ SFR, ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÎÙ 256 ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÏ×.

DO>> åÓÌÉ ÚÁÄÁÞÁ ÔÒÅÂÕÅÔ ÒÁÂÏÔÙ Ó ÂÏÌØÛÉÍÉ ÍÁÓÓÉ×ÁÍÉ AVR ÕÄÏÂÎÅÊ DO>> É ÂïÌØÛÉÍ ÏÂßÅÍÏÍ É ÚÎÁÞÉÔÅÌØÎÏ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÇÉÂËÏÊ ÁÄÒÅÓÁÃÉÅÊ. HÏ ÅÓÌÉ DO>> ÚÁÄÁÞÁ ÄÒÕÇÁÑ, ÐÒÅÉÍÕÝÅÓÔ×Á ÏÂÏÒÁÞÉ×ÁÀÔÓÑ ÎÅÄÏÓÔÁÔËÁÍÉ. AB> éÔÏÇÏ - ÒÁ×ÎÏÚÎÁÞÎÏ. ñ ×ÏÏÂÝÅ ÎÅ ÈÏÔÅÌ × ÓßÅÚÖÁÔØ ÎÁ ÓÒÁ×ÎÅÎÉÅ AB> ÓÉÓÔÅÍÙ ËÏÍÁÎÄ, ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ËÌÀÎÕÌ ÎÁ ÆÌÅÊÍ ÐÁÎÁ ûÅÐÅÌÅ×Á.

ðÏËÁ ÞÔÏ ÆÌÅÊÍÉÛØ ÔÙ. äÌÑ ÎÁÞÁÌÁ ÐÏÐÙÔÁÊÓÑ ×ÍÅÓÔÏ Ó×ÏÉÈ _ÄÏÍÙÓÌÏ×_ ÐÒÏ ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔÉ PIC'Ï× ÉÚÕÞÉÔØ _ÒÅÁÌØÎÕÀ_ ÄÏËÕÍÅÎÔÁÃÉÀ. þÔÏ ÈÁÒÁËÔÅÒÎÏ, ÎÅÄÏÓÔÁÔËÉ PIC'Ï×, ËÏÔÏÒÙÅ ÐÙÔÁÌÉÓØ ÏÚ×ÕÞÉÔØ "AVR-ÍÁÎÙ", ÂÙÌÉ ÏÓÎÏ×ÁÎÙ ÎÁ ÎÅÚÎÁÎÉÉ ÄÏËÕÍÅÎÔÁÃÉÉ...

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Fri Jul 09 2004 11:20, Alexey Boyko wrote to Alexander Torres:

AB> ðÏÄÏÖÄÉ, Ñ ÂÙ × AVR ÚÁ×ÅÌ ÔÁÊÍÅÒ É Output Compare, ÔÏÇÄÁ ÎÁ 1MHz, ÂÕÄÅÔ AB> ÍÅÁÎÄÒ 250kHz, ÂÅÚ ÚÁÄÅÊÓÔ×ÉÑ ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓÏÒÁ.

÷ÏÏÂÝÅ-ÔÏ × AVR ÐÏ Output Compare ÍÏÖÎÏ ÓÄÅÌÁÔØ ÍÅÁÎÄÒ Ó ÞÁÓÔÏÔÏÊ CLK/2. VLV

"And my dreams they aren't as empty like my consciousness seems to be" (c)

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