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absolutely not..

We have been working at the faciltiy, interfacing with many out siders and every one of them will tell you if asked "How many COVID19 have you seen?" The answer is "None"

I have been tested at least 3 times now because some of those that came to our place got a positive results for it which means everyone they were nere needs to be monitored.

However, everyone of those got retested by another doctor (3 test) to find that the first test was a false flag.

But regardless of the false flags, fake test pumped up agenda numbers, these numbers don't go away..

We had two people tell us they went to a clinic and by the time they left the place, they had counted them as 5 positive test claims to later find out they didn't have it but the 5 counts stayed on the records and were reported.

So you can see where this is going, the little sniffle for most, dangerous for others that are already on the edge the cliff which most likely anything would give them a push.

Oh yes, we have seen the sabotage machine at work..

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Late to the party, but with a head start on the drugs.

In full blown denial mode. You can get away with denying climate change be cause we will all be dead before the shit hits the fan on that. But go int o deep denial on this issue and it can have Darwinian impacts.

There is 40 year old Nick Cordero who died a gruesome death taking over 3 m onths to go and losing a leg in the process. Then there is that 30 year ol d fellow who attended a coronavirus party believing the virus was a hoax, ?I think I made a mistake. I thought this was a hoax, but it? ?s not.?

Then there are the reports of many instances of people refusing to follow d istancing measures and getting sick, even dying.

Yes, we have 165,000 people in this country that you don't care about. Tha t means I don't give a damn about you. I hope you catch the disease and di e the same slow, horrid death that Nick Cordero did. As far as I'm concern ed, you are standing right next to the edge and I'm happy to give you the p ush.

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I posed this question to my kid, who's an urban planner. His take is that in three years, the change to cities will be almost unmeasurable. His two points:

1) Creative collaboration is far more efficient done face to face. As John mentioned, nothing beats a real whiteboard with two people standing in fro nt of it. Virtual collaboration will get better, but it's not there yet. However, as folks are discovering, quite a bit of what they do all day does n't involve creative collaboration, which brings us to... 2) Folks don't live in cities to be closer to their work. (My kid love sayi ng things like that, but trust me, he's got terabytes of data to back him u p.) Young people live in cities because they're fun. Old people don't liv e in cities. I know, quite a few of you are old (as am I) and live in citi es (as do I) but we're not the data. Now I personally don't believe that the changes will be unmeasurable, but t hen, I'm not the urban planner. I guess we'll see in three years.
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t in three years, the change to cities will be almost unmeasurable. His t wo points:

hn mentioned, nothing beats a real whiteboard with two people standing in f ront of it. Virtual collaboration will get better, but it's not there yet. However, as folks are discovering, quite a bit of what they do all day do esn't involve creative collaboration, which brings us to...

ying things like that, but trust me, he's got terabytes of data to back him up.) Young people live in cities because they're fun. Old people don't l ive in cities. I know, quite a few of you are old (as am I) and live in ci ties (as do I) but we're not the data.

then, I'm not the urban planner. I guess we'll see in three years.

I'd like to see the young/old city data. I've never seen any indication th at people move to the city when young and move away when they are older. I n fact a lot people I know (yes, anecdotal evidence) move from suburban or rural settings to urban settings when older because they want to have a sim pler life closer to the things they want. Not many people want to do yard work when they are 65.

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That old song "Cats in the Cradle" might apply to a lot less families now. It talks of a guy who was always working and didn't have time for family. His son always wanted to be just like him. The guy retires and realizes his son did turn out just like him.

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My kid's not too happy this morning with my misquoting him. Sooo....

Apparently, by "old", he meant "older than 35". Wealthy retired people do indeed move back to the cities. But that only proves the point that the ex istence of jobs in cities is not the major draw. And by "barely measurable " he means a mere 20% drop in real estate prices. Since half of my net wor th is in urban real estate, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to measure 20% wit hout any special equipment...

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That's largely a myth. And an urban planner would think that.

Just an anecdote - one place I worked, they had one copy of some critical software and literally installed it in a conference room.

Spent weeks using it "as a team". Months maybe. What this precluded was much if any "proof like" thinking about the thing. It's an unusual person that can do math and talk at the same time.

If you're not doing math, then you're socializing. When people are asked, they'd probably just about do anything else in preference to doing math.

Yeah, we're down to Blaise Pascal - "All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone,"

Urbanism has been a wildly successful myth over the last 20 years. But people I know have done well shorting it.

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Young people in cities that I've known ( massive observer bias warning ) don't have any fun. This is proportional to teenagers complaining "there's nothing to do." Again, when asked, people will say things like this. But they may or may not actually believe it.

If we're not the data... then who is?

We live by myth, but myths aren't indestructible.

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Doesn't commuting misery keep people close to their jobs?

Good thoughts. But this current crisis could trigger some collapses that were getting ready to happen anyhow, and will have long-term effects. I'm referring to the next dot.com bust that is overdue, all those over-funded over-staffed things that keep losing a billion dollars per quarter.

Possibly half the restaurants, and 75% of silly gift stores and yoga studios, won't survive. That is going to change the appeal of cities.

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That changes things tremendously, eliminating support for the premise, "Fol ks don't live in cities to be closer to their work".

If moving to the city for fun only includes a 15 year span of our lives, it can't really dominate the statistics.

proves the point that the existence of jobs in cities is not the major draw . And by "barely measurable" he means a mere 20% drop in real estate price s. Since half of my net worth is in urban real estate, I'm pretty sure I'l l be able to measure 20% without any special equipment...

Now you seem to be swinging in the other direction, basing a claim on anoth er small group.

Then the measurement via real estate price change of 20% seems a bit overly dramatic. Would a 10% drop in 3 years not prove a point? Would 5% not?

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The circuit can be changed very measurably without impacting the measured v oltage.

I think your son the urban planner is measuring using his methods for his p urposes which may not be well suited for this purpose.

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at in three years, the change to cities will be almost unmeasurable. His two points:

ohn mentioned, nothing beats a real whiteboard with two people standing in front of it. Virtual collaboration will get better, but it's not there yet . However, as folks are discovering, quite a bit of what they do all day d oesn't involve creative collaboration, which brings us to...

aying things like that, but trust me, he's got terabytes of data to back hi m up.) Young people live in cities because they're fun. Old people don't live in cities. I know, quite a few of you are old (as am I) and live in c ities (as do I) but we're not the data.

t then, I'm not the urban planner. I guess we'll see in three years.

If only half the restaurants survive that will be something of an improveme nt over pre-pandemic times. Restaurants have very high failure rates.

I expect yoga studios and "silly" gift stores are similar. But in all thre e cases once the pandemic has subsided to the point we all are free to go o ut again new businesses will open up and all will be good.

It's not like a yoga studio is a capital intensive venture. Even restauran ts seem to pop up left and right in most virus-free areas.

No, the impact of the pandemic won't be measured in lost restaurants and yo ga studios. It might just be measured in lost burger donuts per bald eagle except in Texas where the number would be vanishingly small.

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One of the traditional responsibilities of a dad is to feed and shelter his kids. For most people, that means working.

Passing on by example the concept "take care of your family" isn't so bad.

It is interesting that money is a recent invention in human history, but now it regulates everything. Pretty well, actually.

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