Twilight for the fishes, we say goodby to our great Clown Loach.

Well, it's no kind of church - almost the opposite. It's more like they try to explain that Deity is in everybody, and we can communicate with them directly, kinda like taking the church with you:

Here ya go:

Well, the way I understand it, a blog is nothing but an on-line diary; sort of a guestbook for oneself. Except some of them let other people leave comments, but they're usually shown in a smaller font.

I'm trying to get over my laziness and put up a Matt Wright wwwboard on one of my websites. They can be laid out similar to a NG, if you wanted to. But on the web, I'd want some kind of registration or something, like you have to send an email and the autoresponder gives you a password or something.

Ick! Fuck No!

Nope. Nobody's getting "savioured" unless they "saviour" themselves. Maybe it would be useful to you to understand your resistance to trying out a bigger version of reality.

You clearly haven't even looked at the website. The situation you describe is precisely what needs to be _undone_ if Creation is going to survive: "Free Will means there is no Will above. There is no higher authority. The buck stops here. I decide. Free Will is in charge... and makes the choices for what happens and how. Humans in their weakness ask for divine help, and in their strength... solve their own problems, thank you very much." -

Cheers! Rich

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I have, many times, and it is getting increasingly clear that I was right in what I wrote in my previous message.

Free will needs a lot of training to achieve, a lot of determination and anger, for people who live in fear. And most do live in a fear caused by the social organisation. To live in the fear of God means something real.

No, it just looks that way for the strong minds who dominate more natural and relaxed minds with latent violence.

If you listen more closely you will hear humans whisper: "Go away, I am afraid of you. But if you must stay, help me."

Creationism is a system for creating strong marriages and strong love, but it is also a system for social domination, a power structure.

The best trained and successful in social life get more power over others than less trained people. That is how the creationist system has survived for so long, it has very strong conservating mechanisms. Only those who accept and believe in the system can get any power in the society.

Critics are seen as people who have not yet grown up fully, not yet understood fully, as weak people who need guidance and more mobbing.

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Roger J.

If these old traditions had really worked there would have been no need for modern ideas like democracy, equality between the genders, secularisation, human rights, womens rights, etc.. We would have been living in a happy and stable theocratic system for thousands of years if that old system had worked really well.

The problems you describe are problems which appear as these traditions are being abolished. We live in an era of confusion, as the old traditions break down, and are not immediately replaced by a better system, a period of struggle between the old and the new system is chaotic. Like what is happening in Iraq right now in the political field.

No, I have nothing against love. I am only against the way the society gets involved in the relation between two people and the methods used to create a special kind of love, the eternal love the church is talking about. How men and women are manipulated and forced into their gender roles before they are allowed to marry.

Do people really bring children into the world "to further their views"? Sounds like a strange way to view parenting, and a highly questionable way to use children. Do you live in Palestine or Texas?

We were talking about how the truth will make us free. As long as billions of people do not tell the real truth about how they think and how the traditional social processes work the old system will be left intact, or left half broken to be more exact.

If the truth gives me ammunition, doesn't that show that I was right? If the truth contradicts what I am saying, what are you worried about? Are you afraid of the truth?

This is a public discussion, not email. Anybody who tells the truth here is telling it to the world. I have no personal interest in this.

A total misunderstanding of the situation. I am not debating to stay "alive" in your sense of the world. I have never been born, in your sense of the word. I have never been married. For me it is very painful to discuss and I would welcome a very long vacation.

But as long I have to live in a very stressful situation as a social outcast in a creationist society I can just as well use the stress to think clearly to help people who are too drunk on love, or alcohol, to think clearly for themselves. That is better than to become a serial killer or something.

My social environment has been trying to get me married for 30 years, or trying to make me a real man, using very drastic methods. For example 3 years ago a neighbor above me spent 6 months stomping and thumping very hard on his floor, my ceiling. I became a total nervous wreck from that treatment. The girl I had hoped for for years finally showed up, in the supermarket, but I did not recognize her, my mind was too confused from stress, she became angry and stormed away, so I lost that chance. A beautiful 22 year old girl who had been waiting for me for 5 years.

I had to move out into a cabin in the forest for two years to let my nervous system cool down again. For medical reasons I had to move back into the same apartment a year ago. Such things have happened continously for 30 years now. I have been very close to death several times during this time, and at least 6 girls have waited in vain for me to become a real man.

It took me a long time to begin to understand what the reason for all this mobbing, physical violence, harassing, threats, etc.. was all about.

Now I have realized that my natural calmness from growing up in the forest plus some fear created by idiots often was mistaken for being a newly wed man who needs that kind of treatment to save his honor, or something like that.

I suffer from several serious illnesses and I am probably close to death now. The only positive result of all this suffering is that I have learned more about how this world works than anybody before me, and I have learned how to express myself in ways which cannot be twisted around or misunderstood.

I am not doing this because need the money, as they could say in your world, I do this because I have nothing better to do while I am waiting to die.

"My advice to you is get married: if you find a good wife you'll be happy, if not, you'll become a philosopher." (Socrates)

Love makes men happy, but also very stupid. History is made by men who can think clearly, however painful it may be.

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Roger J.

OK - you're Will-polarized. It's natural for you to distrust authority. This is a _Good_ thing. I'm Will-polarized too. The Spirit side has no clue, and even less compassion. Except the top spirit, but people aren't listening to him because spirit #2 has been in charge. That is now changing.

Here's the part of the godchannel site you need to see:

The Mother of Everything feels every one of your pains, She experiences everything you experience, and there hasn't been anything She could do about it for a very long time; but Spirit has finally clued up, and now desperately wants to heal Mother's pain, but He needs for us to accept our own pain for what it is - a cry for healing. And we need to learn how to let go of the judgements that are keeping us trapped.

Love, Rich

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It started when we were apes, before we became humans.

In a flock of apes you see the young males run around and shout, throw sticks and stones, trying to scare the other males, and trying to impress the females.

The toughest male sits there and looks grim, and occasionaly beats up one of the younger males who tries to challenge him.

The females and the children sit together and try to stay out of trouble.

This primitive power system was transformed into a social power system as we became humans.

50 000 years ago the elders told stories about creation of power around the camp fires. They developed a secret language, which the grownups could understand, but children and un-initiated people did not understand the symbolism, so they began to believe in supernatural things.

As humans learned to write the stories could be preserved and we can read old creation myths from all over the world. They tell us about initiation rites, how boys become men, how the social structure of the society works, heaven and hell.

The christian ideology is just one variant of these creation myths.

The social life in our world still follow many parts of these creation myths, and preserve a social domination system from before the stone age, from the ape stage of human heritage.

Women still admire men who have concentrated and grim faces. They mistreat nice boys to help them get angry, so they can get a girl who thinks it is manly to be violent and dangerous.

Traditions preserve old views and social structures, and work against development and new ideas.

People who believe in old ideas and manipulate others to uphold old traditions usually think they are doing a good thing. The pope thinks he does a good thing by upholding the authority of the church. Youngsters who mob other youngsters in school think they are doing something good.

They just don't realize that they are upholding very old structures which stand in the way of new ideas and a better future for mankind.

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Roger J.

Well, suppose I don't want to be taught anything by the people who have tortured me for most of my life, who have destroyed my body and subjected my brain to unimaginable pains?

And I am too old and ill anyway, I don't want to spend my last days among idiots who have nothing better to do with their lives than to threaten each other socially and call it honor. They play a social game from the stone age and think they are smart.

What could I gain from being with girls who have no idea of what a natural life is? They spend their lives following rules they have been taught by a stone age system.

In the western world today we see how women and children learn to use violence just as men have been trained for thousands of years. Young girls take knives to school to be able to defend themselves, children see movies like Home Alone and play violent computer games.

They are trying to abolish patriarchalism by training women and children to become men too. What a stupid idea.

It would be much better to abolish the male gender role, the holy wrath and the holy spirit, the strong will. That is the big problem. Female personalities, the result of training girls to become love machines, is also a big problem.

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Roger J.

Hmmm... so we should have more Demi Moores and Elen Degeneres's in the world? Yeah, that's cute for a minute. But only a minute.

Chew on this a second:

Call me traditional, but I can't stand all the confusion of today. Everyone either is a swing partner, or gay, or both. Girls want to pee standing up and guys stay home and take care of the kids. 2 in 5 here has a sexually-transmitted disease. 2 in 5! Things were so much simpler in say, the 60's. Monogamy was a real word and respect was not just for black rappers. Is our current state due to the widespread drug use in the 70's? I don't know.

Instead of abolishing the male gender role, we just need to abolish all the [white] males. Then the world will be perfect, everyone else will finally have what they want: no more majorities.

Perhaps the stone-age is akin to the stoned-age?

No, I don't think so. They are both far too tough for my taste.

I prefer the traditional female, before they started to get tough. But I would even more want females who have not been trained to be women at all.

Young girls are trained to be mindstrong in the early teens, and that is not good, I would prefer totally natural girls.

I don't think so. The drugs, except for alcohol, are condemned as immoral or illegal by the creationist elite which is ruling the world, so the drugs are not something they like.

They hate drugs for several reasons. Amphetamine and other speed drugs are direct competitors with the creationist love. The creationists don't want people to get speeded high in any other way than through the social processes they want to uphold. The holy spirit doesn't like competition.

They don't like hallucinogens because they dissolve the stressed states of mind the creationists use so much violence and indoctrination to put in people's heads.

They don't like painkillers from the opiate group because it kills the pain and fear the creationists try to put in people's minds.

The other men in the world are not so much better than the western world men, they are just not so openly violent as the white males.

I think we can explain things instead of getting rid of people.

The problems which plague the world can only exist as long as billions of people are not telling the truth. As long as they are lying the old problem structures can continue.

The present chaotic situation is a result of many people trying to abolish the old syatem by stressing up people, to break up old ways to think, but I think it is bad method, which might even make the old structures even stronger.

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Roger J.

I'm fully convinced that reality (existance, space-time) is an integral of infinity; to make this short every action therefore has an equal (and usually opposite) reaction. So, to cause a mass-reversion to the old system, the best approach is to push the new system. Then, once everyone speculates why you want the new system, they will revert back to the old system. Don't bother trying to push the old system, that will never work.

I'd love to meet a woman who has not been moulded by society. Not that women are inherently defective; just that stereotypes are supposed to be an observation, not a discipline. It seems many of the women I see anymore are just shells of people - there is not really anything interesting in there, just some pre-programmed microcode: "10:Get guy with lots of money. 20:Spend money.

30:Goto 10." Interesting, creative, original women might actually exist, but likely they are hidden away like trophies by their controlling alpha-male husbands (owners.) Some habits... die hard.

-- "Fate is not only for men to decide." MCJ 200405

That is my view too. But most world leaders are too scared or too incompetent to push a new view. They have a strategy which seems to be based on representing the old view, and do that in a way which is supposed to enlighten the general public.

A recent example are the leaders of China, who feel compelled to represent the historic hate against Japan, and the need to take Taiwan back. The leaders are more progressive than the people, and they have no real intention of starting a war or anything like that, but they feel a need to bend to the public opinion. If I was president of China I would summon the whole people to a tv-speech, and I would tell them what is expected from a modern and civilized people. I would point to examples as how the russians and the germans today have very friendly relations. I would tell them to forget what happened 60 years ago, and I would do it with emphasis.

If they shoot me afterwards I don't care, I have at least told them what they need to hear. I would have done my duty as a leader of the Chinese people. I would have told the truth as best as I can.

Somebody should tell the american people a thing or two they need to hear too, by the way. But I have talked about that in other texts many times.

Another example is the taboo against nudity in american tv channels and movies. This is a stupid way of giving in to conservative idiots. It is a religious idea which modern people have no reason to follow. I think producers and movie makers should be a little more modern and have wider horizons. They can show any amount of violence, murder, torture, rape (without showing naked skin), beatings, threats, etc... but they do not dare showing naked people.

In french and swiss and german movies from 30 years ago people walked around half and whole-naked without anybody getting upset over that. The strong influence of american media channels has actually dragged Europe backwards by a few decades.

I think the main reason for the hesitation to represent new views is that it could cause a backlash, it could serve to organize the old system for fight. So it is seen safer to wear the old ones out slowly, relying on natural death of older generations as much as enlightening information.

Some leaders are pushing the old system but do it so badly that they actually work for the new views. That is a possible strategy, but I wonder if it is the best.

We should at least work in other ways simultaneously, and we need more talk about the newer perspective, as well as methods to handle the old views in a suitable way.

You just described the worst types we can imagine. And we should feel sorry for people who live such shallow and empty livers. But also the best, most loving and intelligent ones have a lot of training in their heads which disturb a natural life. A good man who knows how the world works should be able to help both her and himself out of the fixed mindset which the society has instilled in them.

But you need a certain amount of personality or skills to get the girl to begin with, of course.

There are big variations in all variables when it comes to people. Generalizations are very useful tools, but we should not be fooled by them. There are all kinds of people :-)

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Roger J.

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I once had a Danish GF, who needed to do at least 4hrs. love-making every night and again the whole morning. She threatened to throw me out if I did less. :-) She was really nice, a beautiful lady, very educated. Her parents were the priests(!) on a beautiful island near Sweden. But after 6 weeks I started to get bored of all this action and finally returned to my previous GF. Well, that sounds pretty "macho", but it happened this way.

BTW the OP is Swedish, and the Danish like them even less than the Germans... That's Europe!

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ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy

One early morning in Denmark I saw a beautiful young woman walk slowly, and sensually, along a street in Copenhagen, with a thin blue scarf loosely draped around her hips, and nothing else on. She had breasts which looked like pyramids of white marble, an incredible sight. It was the most beautiful body I have ever seen in a public place.

I have spent periods of my life in Denmark, because it is more laid-back and relaxed than my own country Sweden.

Fortunately, we have had a nordic union for a long time which means that citizens of one nordic country can go to another nordic country, without a passport or ID-card, and we can stay and work and live in each others countries like in our own without any need for staying permits or workers permits, etc..

I actually feel more at home and safer in Copenhagen than in Stockholm, my own capital, which is more hectic and there are more moralist people around, who think they have a right to meddle in other people's lives.

I think he most tolerant and safe place in the world is the northern part of continental Europe. Denmark, Germany, Holland and France.

Yugoslavia was also very nice, before the western powers decided to cut it up into smaller parts.

In the 70-ies I was several times in Yugoslavia and I have only positive memories from that country.

In the center of Belgrade there is a medieval fortress, between the two rivers which flow together there.

I and a friend came there looking for somewhere to sleep. In the afternoon the tourists left the place and we climbed up a grassy slope and came up to a low stone wall, obviously used by defenders of the fortress to hide behind.

We rolled out our sleeping bags and went to sleep on the grass by the stone wall.

I woke up later that night, and saw two big hands holding a broken glass bottle in front of my face. I saw the horizon through the bottle, and it looked like there was something burning. I became aware of other people around too.

I managed to get my right arm out of the sleeping bag. I grabbed the hands and pulled them closer to my face, and sucked in through the hole between his thumbs.

The horizon exploded in a firestorm. He tried to pull away, but I held on until I could get one more lungful of smoke. He walked over to my friend who did the same.

A guy was sitting on the low stone wall and played guitar. We sat against the wall and looked at the sight of Belgrade at night.

Later we walked and danced through the streets of Belgrade and did some stupid stuff, like climbing lamp posts, etc.. The guy with the guitar was playing and singing as we strolled through the city.

We came home to one of the girls in the gang, and she was an artist, lots of canvases and paint. We slept there in her apartment.

The next day they drove us in a jeep through the streets of Belgrade, the jeep overloaded by 7-8 people, weaving in and out between other cars, and we were laughing and shouting, to a place where we could continue hitchhiking further south into Macedonia.

In Macedonia we walked into a small village to get some food. My friend liked milk and he usually managed to get hold of some. Walking out of the village towards the big road we were suddenly stopped by the police. They stopped everybody, old men, children, cars, trucks and cows and told us all to stay where we were.

A strange situation, until we got the explanation. Some kind of disease had been detected in the village, and the authorities stopped all communications and movements until they got a better grip of the situation.

An hour later a doctor came and looked at us and we were allowed to continue or journey. That was the only time I had any contact with the police in Yugoslavia, and they behaved very correctly and friendly.

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Roger J.