The 24-year-old head armorer of Alec Baldwin's movie 'Rust' told a podcast she 'almost didn't take' her last job because she wasn't sure if she was 'ready'

These people made it sound like a cold gun was loaded with blanks. Why would someone point a gun with useless inert rounds at the camera and pull the trigger. One video shows the rifle they were using as manual bolt action. Live blanks are required to operate an automatic bolt action, but it doesn't look like that's what they were using. Go waste someone else's time on irrelevant minutia.

Fred Bloggs Moron wrote: ====================

FOAD soon.

...... Phil

My understanding is this was not about a live round being in the gun, rather as was the case in another fatal shooting on a movie set some time back, the problem was some material remaining in the barrel after having been fired successfully on a previous occasion. I read about this a few days ago where they compared this to a couple of other fatalities including Brandon Lee's death where a portion of a bullet was in the barrel. In no case I found was a bullet found to be or have been on set. "Live rounds" includes blanks which is what was supposed to be used in this case.

Ed Lee snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Try one has a HUGE slug at the end of the cartridge and the other NOT! Oh and then there is the also HUGE weight difference. Any 14 year old could be taught to discern them easily, much less any 24 year old. Some people need to undergo an aptitude test before certain job types get filled.

Fred Bloggs snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:49:53 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Well not sure if it is a male or female question, but to make somebody 'head armorer' who has no clue about guns .. well, US will also happely make the head of a cookie factory head of an electronics company, no in depth knowledge needed... Who was heading Boeing when their planes started falling out of the sky? And seems rich peple were buying places for their kids in well known universities... And blacks no longer need to know math to get a degree?

Whats new?

Phil Allison snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Squid Game

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It was supposed to be a " cold gun " so no cap or powder. The Colt revolver went off by accident while being withdrawn from its holster - firing sideways to how Alec was standing.

The people struck were not near the camera but were crowded around a monitor. So a double freak accident.

...... Phil

I see no report of this. Some says "the actor fired the gun", not a misfire. Perhaps we need to wait for more reporting.

Hey! This is s.e.d, don't be talking sense!

I know they probably want a direct shot aiming at the camera, but camera man/woman can stay away from the line of fire with a simple wire or wireless remote. So, we need more info before talking about what happened.

Ed Lee wrote: ==========

.... Phil

Double-checking *your own* work isn't good enough. Someone else needs to do that.

If I mess up something the first time, it often looks just as fine to me the second time I look at it.

According to one journalist who is an NRA member (the kind of person they should have had on set, but never would allow) the gun was first used with a squib, which looks like a bullet but has no powder, then with a blank, which propelled a leftover fragment of the squib.

she's just speculating because that is what happened to Brandon Lee

a squib it is a malfunction

The story is suddenly even more interesting. They should make this into a new movie, Rust, about the making of the movie Rust.

"The sources claimed some crew members took guns off set to practice with live ammo, which they believe found its way into Alec Baldwin's gun"

Some of the winger NRA member gun nut crew, "the kind of person they should have had on set, but never would allow", took the gun out to play with!

The 64 million judgement is who did it and what and when Baldwin knew. Can't blame the 24 yro if there were live bullets left in the gun. From back of the wheel, it's hard to tell the difference between real and blank. She would have to look from the front of the wheel to see, but that is also bad practice. Most people check a revolver wheel from the back.

WTF??? If you are the person responsible, you are responsible. If the weapon has been out of your control at all, you take it apart if required to verify its state. I'm surprised it is not routine to use a tool to verify the barrel is clear of debris before firing a live round even if blank. Any bit of contamination can turn into a projectile when fired.

There is no excuse for the person responsible not knowing the complete state of the weapon, period. Everyone else takes information provided by this person as gospel.

This whole debacle just keeps on getting more and more bizarre. For a prop gun to be taken off-set for target practice, which obviously requires live rounds, is totally against all safety protocols. And having live rounds on-set is yet another indefensible breach of safety protocols. If found to be true, which it appears to be, this would mean that Gutierrez-Reed, the so-called armorer, was completely and utterly incompetent. It is no wonder why the fired union crew were rightfully concerned about gun safety on the set. This production was a sordid layer cake of incompetence, negligence and hubris. Someone needs to be held criminally accountable, and The Jerk Baldwin is at the top of that short list. Soon to come will be multi-million dollar civil lawsuits.