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ISTM it's more dangerous because the roof will be wet.

Well, roofing is dangerous, and the danger comes from walking around. While you're sitting and working (like a roofer, most of the time), you're generally pretty safe. It's when you move that the little gritty granules suddenly let go and send you sliding.

Cleaning will involve mostly standing and moving, which is dangerous to start with, plus it will be wet.

I'd assume--maybe wrongly--that novices would be even more prone to falling than professional roofers, wouldn't you?

I'm an experienced mountain climber. Sliding on loose sandy scree is one of the greatest perils -- nearly killed me twice that I can think of.

And, I climb on my roof regularly for maintenance stuff. Conclusion? Roofs are scary.

-- Cheers, James Arthur

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Still, the death rate is only around 0.2ppm/hour, so not a very high risk. Roughly the same risk per hour of driving in your car or flying in an airliner.

I guess if there are solar panels up there you have a place to attach a safety harness.

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Even worse, it will be done by greenie save-the-planet amateurs.

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Oh definitely. Not a reason to avoid PV, just a maintenance hassle that comes with the package.

I'd love to use them myself, they're just not economic.

-- Cheers, James Arthur

Okay, I am a kind of dreaming type, but I don't believe in Utopia. I am realistic and surging for a better way of life. In my eyes it is necessary.

I see also practical problems with Nuclear, especially safety and waste, but also with digging uranium. I think it's better to make life more efficient, Than we need less energy. We use to much drinking-water for other purposes as drinking, use more energy as needed for transport, often streetlights are producing more heat as they produce light and we use electricity while we could use other solutions in many cases. There are several people experimenting with wind-up machines for simple purposes.

There are also wind, watercraft, magnetmotors, waterchemistry, geothermal, fossile fuels, and maybe other new developments. Some of them are in experimental state, but they all seem to be a promissing solution for the future.

All the solutions have their pro and cons, so (in my vision) reducing is the best way. But reducing has also a problem, because it will save money. When people save money, they gonna spend it on other things. It will cost energy again. Therefore it will only be a winning combination when we use durable energy.

I see your point, but I think it's to easy. We cannot find enough places for the waste for a long period of time. There are many risks, the chance of accidents is small, but it could be catastrophic when an accident happens. More nuclear plants means more chance for accidents and more radioactive waste. That's also "common sense".

I don't agree, Solar energy is cheaper in many cases, I think it will be much cheaper in the near future.

I have more time, but less money. It doesn't lower my standard of living, I've never felt so rich before. I 've learned to see. You don't need money on a bank-account, You just need money to pay your bills. When you reduce the amount of bills, you get more time for a living. I'm lucky, I'm still healty, otherwise I didn't got the chance for walking this road. There are a lot of DIY-guides to make cheap solutions for energy. Just google and you will see.

True, a solar car doesn't work!

We will see, maybe somebody will find someday a better solution, I don't know. The ones who doesn't ride the highway are the ones who will find new roads. It takes some time. ;-)

You might reduce energy consumption when you got some airflow behind the fridge. When the motor get hot, the fridge want to get hot too. The motor will be spinning and generate more heat. Blowing a little air behind the fridge will be enough to cool down the motor.

What kind of gas it's using and the age of the fridge will be an energy factor too.

Where did you read that? Mike was only explaining some things.

Propane is used in travel trailers, but at home you might use a cheaper solution for heat.

It would be a good idea to bring the water from Florida to ohio and visa versa. :-D

As Charles Darwin mentioned before: "The environment make evolution." You need and have other solutions when you're living in another environment. (survifal of the fittest)

Koning Betweter wrote in news:2010081900264153976-Koning@Stumpernl:

"realistic"?? you talk about reducing your lifestyle,just to use solar. (along with everyone else's..) that's NOT "realistic".

Well,the US Navy has had NO problems with their nuclear reactors. With the proper waste storage site,that's no problem,either.To bad Comrade Obama defnded an almost complete Yucca Mountain Repository,wasting all the money already spent and setting back safe storage by a couple of decades. Even the US Three Mile Island incident wasn't as bad as the media made it to be. The other TMI reactor has been running fine for many years now.

France and Japan have no storage problems.,and operate their reactors in a very safe manner. OTOH,Russia has a bad record.

By expending greater effort and greater cost;doesn't make sense. IOW,not "cost-effective",or "practical".

But I could repeat that over and over,yet it doesn't sink in.

LMAO. you've never used a windup flashlight,I'm guessing. I have. now if you had said flywheel storage,you might have something.

all in LIMITED applications. Not PRACTICAL in general use.

Like NUCLEAR. safe,clean plentiful,and RELIABLE.

It's the KISS principle.

yes,we can.

"when"? you consider it inevitable. It's not,and certainly not a "catastrophic" accident". Plus,there are newer reactor designs like the pebble-bed type that are inherently "safe",can't have a meltdown.

radioactive waste can be reprocessed,like France does,and minimizes the high level stuff that must be kept away from people. the low level stuff is no different than ordinary background radiation.

But you get a TREMENDOUS amount of energy for that small amount of waste. Reliable energy,all day,all night,every week for many YEARS before refuelling.

Meanwhile,one heat wave and you swelter because you don't have enough electric to run air conditioning. Or one real cold snap,and you don't have enough electric to heat,and can't use wood or coal for environmental reasons,then you freeze,maybe to death. IIRC,parts of Europe had both those problems in recent times. even in the US,some areas have brownouts because they allowed environmentalnuts to block needed electric projects.

Dreamer.

No,you've learned to adapt to a lower standard.you've ACCEPTED it.

Not "will find",but "MAY find". there's no guarantee.

Maybe cold fusion will made to actually work. Or normal fusion.At least we know that's possible.

Koning Betweter wrote in news:2010081900545881650-Koning@Stumpernl:

Coils are now on the BOTTOM,on modern refridgerators.(less prone to damage)

the fridge already has a fan that circulates air.I think it has two fans,one for the motor and one for the coils. (you gotta keep the coils clean,too...)

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The point being that working on the roof is more dangerous than working in a mine, on an off-shore oil rig, or heaven forbid, a nuclear power plant.

spewing.

Wrong. You asked, I answered. You asked again. Either you're stupid, or just illiterate. Now that you snipped the exchange, another good alternative is that you're just another leftist liar.

Our refrigerator is rated at 1.02kW (@120V). I've not put a Kill-A-Watt on it so have no real numbers.

Koning Betweter wrote in news:2010081901195024436-Koning@Stumpernl:

Which you can't do on an existing refrigerator. you CAN go buy a newer model,more energy-efficient.If you can afford it.

The food doesn't always STAY cold on the way home.Especially on 90+F days. We have a lot of those days....several months,actually.

yes,NUCLEAR power. PLENTY of electricity available,virtually ALL of the time. B-)

but it makes for great heat pump performance in the winter,for a ground water heat pump system. also for AC in the summer.

not really,if you know anything about the Florida aquafer,or aquafers in general. Ohio is on Lake Erie,all FRESH water,LOTS of it. Easy to pump out,filter and treat. Florida is surrounded by ocean,pump too much water out of the ground,and you get saltwater intrusion and long term contamination of your water supply. The coastal areas already can't use their underground water and have to pipe it from the interior,and those interior communities don't like that(makes sinkholes,that turn into new "lakes"). We're discussing desalination plants now. Those -could- be solar powered.

Our electric companies are building TEST solar plants,BTW. thermal solar and photovoltaic plants. they are experimenting to see if they are PRACTICAL,*in commercial scale*.

In central Florida,the water table is only about a foot below ground level. very few homes have basements....even fewer have -dry- basements. 8-)

A cellar in Florida is called an "indoor pool". ;-)

In VT, one year several water mains broke at 8'.

Hurricanes and hailstorms, I guess there will be high insurance premiums for solar roof arrays there. Florida is reasonably sunny, but any area that gets regular golfball size hail is probably the worst place to install solar.

cheers, Jamie

That includes the entire Deep South, from Texas to Georgia. Ok, so perhaps PV will survive in NM and AZ. Whoopie.

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True, but could the company be more successful with employees who have more competency?

A lot of the experts walk with eyeflaps, they just don't see sideways. They think the world is round and turning around the sun. The world is flat and in the middle of the Universe, just open your eyes and look around to see it. I am the centre of the world, everybody and everything is circling around me! ;-p

As long as the opposite of a statement isn't proven, the statement will be true. It's difficult to change regular thoughts when you learned them at school. Intelligence and knowledge are not always the key to success. Many inventions are found accidentally by somebody who just tried to do something else.

I'm an expert in knowing nothing! I just found out!

Any one with real knowledge and an open mind that looks at the studies and their conclusions realizes that AGW is just a scam to allow certain groups political power and control.

But Charlie, you just proven the opposite. You just came on your department because of the same reason. The only difference is: you ignore the studies which prove AWG. Telling people what they want to hear is helping with "making friends".

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I strongly suspect it will compile under most any compiler. It is a really nice design. So if you already have a compiler (IIRC np is written in "C"), just give it a try.