Government's are going to research viruses, for the same reason they are throwing money at quantum computing. If they don't do it, the other guy will and you get behind.
George H. Moving the research labs out of cities seems like a very good idea. put them on islands somewhere... or old ships.
Oh dear, I'm not proud. Genesse is my regular brew. $21 for a 30 pac at the local deli. I've got room for some Bud Light. (prolly help with my waist line.:^)
George H.
There's no nationalistic advantage to researching viruses. Whatever we learn will be shared with the world.
I sure hope they don't brew that using river water.
Hmm OK, I think in the end all knowledge will be shared. But G's will try and control it for a time. China maybe more so than others. But all will try and control info at some level... to not try and get an advantage is to mis-handle your government if you are a leader. (sorry for the double negative... if you are the leader of your country, it's your job to get an advantage, otherwise you are not doing your job. In that regard I agree with Trump.
George H.
We have these filter things here. :^) The Genesse river valley is beautiful... for whatever reason it didn't get blocked up and turned into another finger lake. Letchworth State park is wonderful. There are a number of stone-work trails, rails, and bridges built during the WPA... or there abouts. It can be totally awesome in the autumn. We should have people on any extended unemployment rebuilding the stonework.
George h.
The Brat went to Cornell [1] so we got to spend some time around there. Gotta admit it's pretty country. Add in NYC and divide by two, that works out to mediocre.
[1] double major, softball and beer pong.
Natural selection is perfectly natural, and any virus that show up in humans is selected for it's capacity to infect more human, which does means that when you run into one that has infected a lot of humans, it's going to look optimised for the job.
What's special about Covid-19 that has suggested - to anybody who knows what they are talking about - that it's had the benefit of intelligent design by humans?
Fred Bloggs clearly doesn't know what he is talking about, so hi opinion doesn't count.
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: uEurope very politely let the Americans settle their own Civil War. The US e ventually saw that it's interests in Europe were threatened by Germany (in
1917 and in 1941) and made several dramatic but essentially ineffectual con tributions to putting them back in their box.The Allies did have some influence on the 1949 German constitution (which i s a whole lot better than it's American equivalent) but in practice this me ant that the new German constitution avoided quite of few of the defects of previous equivalents.
Coca Cola is even worse. Allowing the food manufacturing business to regula te itself and sell food which is engineered to be addictive enough to get o ver-eaten to the point of obesity is one of the obvious weak points of US c onstitutional arrangements.
Nobody is going to copy that, or let you export that kind of toxin on a lar ge scale.
That would constitute chemical warfare. Bashar al-Assad and Saddam Hussein seem to have indulged in that. Donald Trump might be civilised enough to decide that it wouldn't be a good idea, but his veneer of civilisation is remarkably thin.
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John Larkin is quite as good as James Arthur at ignoring inconvenient facts .
The US Civil War ran from 1861 to 1865. It only ended 155 years ago. John L arkin's seems to want Europe to perform better than the US has.
Donald Trump's approach to defeating Covid-19 hasn't killed as many America n yet - 61,618 versus about a million - and probably doesn't count, but if his incompetence were deliberately malicious, as opposed egomaniac disinte rest, it would would represent a bloody assault by the administration on th e country as a whole.
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u ?Our house in Nijmegen was occupied by Canadian officers in late 1944 and an d early 1945 before the allies pushed on over the Rhine. The Americans had parachuted into Groesbeek a bit earlier, but the Canadians got stuck with j ob of patrolling the area after the front stabilised. The convent across th e road from the house became a military hospital, and there was a temporary military cemetery next door to our house for the patients that didn't make it. The bodies got dug up after the war and consolidated into one big mili tary cemetery on the other side of Nijmegen.
So says Sloman who has been wrong about every last aspect of this whole fiasco since day one. His ignorance and errors are too numerous to list. Apparently the imbecile is ignorant of the fact that lab techniques exist to make virus transmissibility much worse just using animals. No genetic engineering necessary. Dunno why opinion should count, but NIH just last week summarily zeroed the funding for all of the virus work being done in China, no explanation given.
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You spelled 'smocking' wrong. "smocking gun" -Donald John Trump
umans is selected for it's capacity to infect more human, which does means that when you run into one that has infected a lot of humans, it's going to look optimised for the job.
what they are talking about - that it's had the benefit of intelligent des ign by humans?
n doesn't count.
iasco since day one. His ignorance and errors are too numerous to list.
Whereas I have cited a few points where Fred Bloggs has made claims that il lustrate that he doesn't know what he is talking about.
He claimed that the corona virus spike protein doesn't mutate - when it doe s, but is clearly conserved by the fact that any significant change stops i t working and kills off that strain of the virus. One can follow his thinki ng, but the fact that he can't see that he went wrong in very revealing way means that his opinion really can't be taken seriously.
Studying a disease before curing it IS proper research.
The first disease ever identified with a culturable microbe was anthrax. It was studiied in its full life cycle, BEFORE we knew how to cure it, and it made a LOT of public-health difference that this was done, because many of the preventive measures in place at the time (burying diseased carcases) were ineffective. Burial in cold climates just preserved the spores.
Part of the life cycle of a virus (over long times) is mutating to evade immunities among its hosts. It makes sense to study that process.
The various 'escaped from a lab' theories don't make sense for COVID-19, IMHO, but... apparently an anthrax breakout years back WAS due to a disturbed individual with lab access. It makes sense, also, to study such disturbed individuals.
We would but China wouldn't. Some in this thread have said that the Trump administration restarted the research, but actually it was a Chinese scientist who went back to China and resumed it. They obviously created it a lab and had an accident.
Why is that "obvious"? I've seen no reasonable evidence to support that idea, much less compelling evidence.
humans is selected for it's capacity to infect more human, which does mean s that when you run into one that has infected a lot of humans, it's going to look optimised for the job.
ws what they are talking about - that it's had the benefit of intelligent d esign by humans?
ion doesn't count.
fiasco since day one. His ignorance and errors are too numerous to list.
illustrate that he doesn't know what he is talking about.
oes, but is clearly conserved by the fact that any significant change stops it working and kills off that strain of the virus. One can follow his thin king, but the fact that he can't see that he went wrong in very revealing w ay means that his opinion really can't be taken seriously.
Once again you couldn't be more wrong. No one cares about any general desc ription of the spike protein. The people who actually work with this virus, with the aim of actually accomplishing something, have narrowed their focu s on the ACE-2 receptor binding domain (RBD) of the spike protein. They fin d the RBD to be "highly conserved," so much so that they were able to ident ify and observe antibodies produced for one virus working on the other. See antibody CR3022 as one example of an antibody targeting the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2, despite a genetic overlap of just 79% be tween the two viruses.
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We can kill it with a watch battery?
It would make a nice Trump joke except he is way too stupid to know what a watch battery is / looks like / is called.
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