See Bill Sloman, as I stated South of France being radioactive does not bother the French anymore, it is normal.

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Stay out of old destroyed tanks and you'll be fine. Stay away from bricks and old colored ceramics, too. And don't cook with sea salt.

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You'll probably like it even less after you find out that it's sometimes *RAW* herring. Think of it as Dutch sushi. I grew up on the stuff so it's no big deal. The pickeling, raw onions, and sour cream kinda kill the fishy taste:

Looking in the fridge, I have several plastic tubs of Lascco "Sour Cream Herring Fillet". (Los Angeles Smoking & Curing Company).

(On the right under Herring Salads). Hmmm... radioactivity isn't listed under the nutritional info. If you don't like the herring, the plastic tubs are resealable and can be used to store hardware and components.

Herring in sour cream! Yummy!!

...Jim Thompson

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for the next 1000 years,

Topsoil contains several tonnes per sq km of undepleted Uranium

There's plenty more that's hot:

Most of these can only barely be detected with a common Geiger counter. You'll need a scintillation counter, which is more sensitive.

It is absolutely excellent, for example with the Northern German dish of Labskaus. Of course you have to overcome the optical illusion. It looks as if someone just had an upchuck situation:

We do that about once a month or so. Herring out here ain't the same as where Jan lives but it's ok. The way it's pickled in Europe the FDA guys would come waltzing in immediately.

Would have prevented Sloman?

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I thought he was referring to the use of DU ammo. See: "Depleted Uranium Weapons and International Law: A Precautionary Approach," edited by Avril McDonald, Jann K. Kleffner and Brigit C. A. Toebes. That is a 2008 book providing an in-depth analysis of international legal aspects on using DU ammo. Also in August 2002, there was also a report out by the UN subcommission identifying laws breached by the use of DU shells. If you want, I suppose I could track down a copy for you to read up on.

While the Pentagon has admitted that 320 metric tons of DU were left on the battlefield after the first Gulf war, Russian military experts argued 1000 metric tons as a more accurate figure. Each may be biased in their assessments, of course, so perhaps somewhere between those two figures would be a safer bet.

Also in 1991, almost a million DU rounds were fired in Iraq, close to a net of 2700 tons of DU, I believe. The UK Atomic Energy Authority reported out an estimate back then that some half-million additional deaths would occur by 2000, due to radioactive debris left in the desert. No idea if any of that was confirmed or just someone making guesses. But it was the UK AEA making the statement, so you have to assume that at least _some_ informed thought went into the statement, even if it was no more than an educated guess. Suggests more than 1 death, anyway.

Jon

Lead bullets would have left more dangerous debris.

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And don't visit Scotland. Or most other countries for that matter. Even better, buy one of those sea islands in Dubai, should be very save. But as you said, don't go swimming. Of course that only works if none of the dudes in other countries go berserk and push the button.

I can't debate the science. I don't have a comprehensive view and it takes one to have an informed opinion.

Just wanted to point out what I suspected Jan meant with the term 'U war crimes.' Apparently, there are some strictures in law in place already. Perhaps there should be for lead bullets, too. ;)

Jon

bother the French anymore,

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Plagerizing:

Natural Radioactivity in soil

How much natural radioactivity is found in a volume of soil that is 1 square mile, by 1 foot deep? The following table is calculated for this volume (total volume is 7.894 x 105 m3) and the listed activities. It should be noted that activity levels vary greatly depending on soil type, mineral make-up and density (~1.58 g/cm3 used in this calculation). This table represents calculations using typical numbers.

| Natural Radioactivity by the Square Mile, 1 Foot Deep | Uranium 0.7 pCi/g ( 25 Bq/kg) 2,200 kg 0.8 curies (31 GBq) | Thorium 1.1 pCi/g ( 40 Bq/kg) 12,000 kg 1.4 curies (52 GBq) | Potassium 40 11. pCi/g (400 Bq/kg) 2000 kg 13. curies (500 GBq) | Radium 1.3 pCi/g ( 48 Bq/kg) 1.7 g 1.7 curies (63 GBq) | Radon 0.17 pCi/g ( 10 kBq/m3) 11 µg 0.2 curies (7.4 GBq) | Total: >17 curies (>653 GBq)

There is a joke to made about irrational countries without enough brains to wipe the terrorists it knows about. When Dubbya took his attention away from Osama ben Laden and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan - who were a threat - to invade Irak (which wasn't, as everybody except Dubbya and his crew knew at the time) he was definitely taking his eye off the ball. Al Gore has spelled it out in his fine diatribe

but he's the last man to make a joke out of it.

There has to be something irresistably comic about an intelligent man diverting the resources of the most powerful country in world to the humilation of a tin-pot dictator of a tin-pot republic in the Middle East for no better reason than a visceral dislike, but the incidental

- pointless - deaths of a few hundred thousand bit players and spear carriers makes it difficult to produce a really rib-tickling punch line.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Scotland is mostly built on granite, so radon in the basement is a real health risk, if you live long enough.

The Scots, being rational people, have acted to minimise their exposure by adopting a life style that minimises their chances of dying of radiation-induced cancers - they don't eat green vegetables and they do eat lots of saturated fats, while smoking and drinking to excess, which all tend to kill them off before the radon can get them.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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My principal lineage is MacTavish ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Except it's just come to light that a substantial nuclear "stash" from Iraq was quietly moved to Canada last week, for disposal.

...Jim Thompson

What law?

John

I'm not one to ask about nuances, so I'll repeat myself. See: "Depleted Uranium Weapons and International Law: A Precautionary Approach," edited by Avril McDonald, Jann K. Kleffner and Brigit C. A. Toebes, June 2008. It has an in-depth analysis of international legal aspects on using DU ammo. I also mentioned that in August 2002, there was also a report out by the UN subcommission identifying laws breached by the use of DU shells. If interested, google it? I'm not, because it is already enough to tell me that the subject has some content to discuss for those interested in digging deeper.

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