Ping Bil Slowman; The global warming hoax reveiled

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BP and Shell both have the sense to acknowledge that anthropogenic global warming is real and both have started diversifying into more sustainable activities.

You don't seem to have realised the burning fossil carbon isn't the only way to generate energy. It is - currently - the cheapest source of power, but only because we aren't paying enough to cover the damage that is being caused by the CO2 emitted, and the rather higher charges needed to cover the damage that is going to be caused when we've saturated the oceans with CO2.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Did you see where that British climatologist challenged Al Gore to debate global warming?

Al hasn't taken him up on it yet.

So how long until the people caught in their deceptions with these e-mails claim their privacy was violated, as with the ACORN tapes? They'll go down in history too, won't they?

November 21, 2009 Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute By ANDREW C. REVKIN Hundreds of private e-mail messages and documents hacked from a computer server at a British university are causing a stir among global warming skeptics, who say they show that climate scientists conspired to overstate the case for a human influence on climate change.

The e-mail messages, attributed to prominent American and British climate researchers, include discussions of scientific data and whether it should be released, exchanges about how best to combat the arguments of skeptics, and casual comments =97 in some cases derisive =97 about specific people known for their skeptical views. Drafts of scientific papers and a photo collage that portrays climate skeptics on an ice floe were also among the hacked data, some of which dates back 13 years.

In one e-mail exchange, a scientist writes of using a statistical =93trick=94 in a chart illustrating a recent sharp warming trend. In another, a scientist refers to climate skeptics as =93idiots.=94

Some skeptics asserted Friday that the correspondence revealed an effort to withhold scientific information. =93This is not a smoking gun; this is a mushroom cloud,=94 said Patrick J. Michaels, a climatologist who has long faulted evidence pointing to human-driven warming and is criticized in the documents.

Some of the correspondence portrays the scientists as feeling under siege by the skeptics=92 camp and worried that any stray comment or data glitch could be turned against them.

The evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so widely accepted that the hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument. However, the documents will undoubtedly raise questions about the quality of research on some specific questions and the actions of some scientists.

In several e-mail exchanges, Kevin Trenberth, a climatologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and other scientists discuss gaps in understanding of recent variations in temperature. Skeptic Web sites pointed out one line in particular: =93The fact is that we can=92t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can=92t,=94 Dr. Trenberth wrote.

The cache of e-mail messages also includes references to journalists, including this reporter, and queries from journalists related to articles they were reporting.

Officials at the University of East Anglia confirmed in a statement on Friday that files had been stolen from a university server and that the police had been brought in to investigate the breach. They added, however, that they could not confirm that all the material circulating on the Internet was authentic.

But several scientists and others contacted by The New York Times confirmed that they were the authors or recipients of specific e-mail messages included in the file. The revelations are bound to inflame the public debate as hundreds of negotiators prepare to negotiate an international climate accord at meetings in Copenhagen next month, and at least one scientist speculated that the timing was not coincidental.

Dr. Trenberth said Friday that he was appalled at the release of the e- mail messages.

But he added that he thought the revelations might backfire against climate skeptics. He said that he thought that the messages showed =93the integrity of scientists.=94 Still, some of the comments might lend themselves to being interpreted as sinister.

In a 1999 e-mail exchange about charts showing climate patterns over the last two millenniums, Phil Jones, a longtime climate researcher at the East Anglia Climate Research Unit, said he had used a =93trick=94 employed by another scientist, Michael Mann, to =93hide the decline=94 in temperatures.

Dr. Mann, a professor at Pennsylvania State University, confirmed in an interview that the e-mail message was real. He said the choice of words by his colleague was poor but noted that scientists often used the word =93trick=94 to refer to a good way to solve a problem, =93and not something secret.=94

At issue were sets of data, both employed in two studies. One data set showed long-term temperature effects on tree rings; the other, thermometer readings for the past 100 years.

Through the last century, tree rings and thermometers show a consistent rise in temperature until 1960, when some tree rings, for unknown reasons, no longer show that rise, while the thermometers continue to do so until the present.

Dr. Mann explained that the reliability of the tree-ring data was called into question, so they were no longer used to track temperature fluctuations. But he said dropping the use of the tree rings was never something that was hidden, and had been in the scientific literature for more than a decade. =93It sounds incriminating, but when you look at what you=92re talking about, there=92s nothing there,=94 Dr. Mann said.

In addition, other independent but indirect measurements of temperature fluctuations in the studies broadly agreed with the thermometer data showing rising temperatures.

Dr. Jones, writing in an e-mail message, declined to be interviewed.

Stephen McIntyre, a blogger who on his Web site, climateaudit.org, has for years been challenging data used to chart climate patterns, and who came in for heated criticism in some e-mail messages, called the revelations =93quite breathtaking.=94

But several scientists whose names appear in the e-mail messages said they merely revealed that scientists were human, and did nothing to undercut the body of research on global warming. =93Science doesn=92t work because we=92re all nice,=94 said Gavin A. Schmidt, a climatologist at NASA whose e-mail exchanges with colleagues over a variety of climate studies were in the cache. =93Newton may have been an ass, but the theory of gravity still works.=94

He said the breach at the University of East Anglia was discovered after hackers who had gained access to the correspondence sought Tuesday to hack into a different server supporting realclimate.org, a blog unrelated to NASA that he runs with several other scientists pressing the case that global warming is true.

The intruders sought to create a mock blog post there and to upload the full batch of files from Britain. That effort was thwarted, Dr. Schmidt said, and scientists immediately notified colleagues at the University of East Anglia=92s Climatic Research Unit. The first posts that revealed details from the files appeared Thursday at The Air Vent, a Web site devoted to skeptics=92 arguments.

At first, said Dr. Michaels, the climatologist who has faulted some of the science of the global warming consensus, his instinct was to ignore the correspondence as =93just the way scientists talk.=94

But on Friday, he said that after reading more deeply, he felt that some exchanges reflected an effort to block the release of data for independent review.

He said some messages mused about discrediting him by challenging the veracity of his doctoral dissertation at the University of Wisconsin by claiming he knew his research was wrong. =93This shows these are people willing to bend rules and go after other people=92s reputations in very serious ways,=94 he said.

Spencer R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as =93great material for historians.=94

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No imagination there, it's based on living and watching a few decades. Lots of things have gone wrong where we as the population were told it couldn't. I remember as a kid when folks were told that a major reactor meltdown could never really happen and certainly nobody in Europe would be affected. Then Tshernobyl happened ...

But why did you initially dismiss it as urban legend? That was a tad disappointing.

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I didn't dismiss it - I was just bitching about the absence of a link to the detailed account.

The phrase "I could wonder" falls a long way short of dismissal.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Paranoid Bill, the Soros shill, you'll enjoy this:

On a sunny day (Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:36:08 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman wrote in :

If I say 'cookie', do I need to supply a wikipedia reference it exists?

Sensibly thinking about it leads to the insight that the anthropogenic component is insignificant in the view of the big climate cycles.

On a sunny day (Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:48:50 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman wrote in :

I was not referring to continental drift (why bring that in), but to the position of glaciers, and where the water will be. If you studied the past of the Netherlands, you would know that it was largely water, and large parts of it are now 'polders', where water was only a few hundred years ago. These days they are 'giving back areas to the water', as a safety basin to prevent flooding via the rivers elsewhere. But the glaciers, those will further retreat from Europe, and north of America, only to come back then later, in thousands of years cycles.

On a sunny day (Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:03:18 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman wrote in :

You really are beginning to sound like an idiot nut case. After all the case I made here for nuclear power. Just admit you have no clue and are wrong.

Conspiracy theory heaven?

Who goes on about Exon-Mobil, big oil and coal? Who keeps calling people shills of big oil?

But hey since you are in to conspiracy theories explain this:

So Briffa is a student? "; Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!!"

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From the programming file called "briffa_sep98_d.pro":

yyy=reform(compmxd(*,2,1)) ;mknormal,yyy,timey,refperiod=[1881,1940] ; ; Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!! ; yrloc=[1400,findgen(19)*5.+1904] valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0.25,-0.3,0.,-0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1.7,2.5,2.6,2.6,$

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Not so much water as swamp. The polders are now below sea level because the land dried out after it was empoldered, and shrank.

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Since we've messed up the positive feedback that drove that cycle and added more than enough CO2 and methane to the atmosphere, the glacier aren't going to be coming back any time soon.

The shapes and locations ofof the continents will still be pretty much the same. I doubt if the world will look that different.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Google writes a tracking cookie to your computer whenever you do a search, so you don't have to bother.

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Sorry. That is insensible non-thinking, otherwise known as wishful thinking. I think you'd better think it out again, after you've learned a bit more about greenhouse gases and how they work.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

The British Royal Society, amonst others

Exxonsecrets is based on data extracted from their published accounts

- under US Law they have to list the organisations that they are funding.

You should recognise at least some of the names since you quote their output with tedious regularity.

Why should I? I've got no idea what he was trying to do or why - and neither would you, if you weren't in the habit of imputing the worst possible motives to everybody who doesn't share your daft delusions.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I wasn't sufficiently interested to turn up the audio.

And which of your daft conspiracy theories includes George Soros? And why?

does suggest that the demented right wing in the USA resents his campaign contributions to at least one Democratic candidate, but I hadn't noticed that you were out of touch wth reality along that axis as well.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Just admit you have no clue and are wrong.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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That sure came out of the blue. No one mentioned "weather"--we're talking about precious, lovely, highly-touted G-lobal C-limate M- odels. Or are you saying that cloud feedback doesn't affect climate?

Whatever.

Hey Bill, since you think people should be jailed for not buying health insurance for themselves, what firing squad would you recommend for "gross coding negligence and fraud jeopardizing the climate and economy of the entire world?"

-- Cheers, James Arthur

Wake up and smell the coffee. You're dancing to the Soros tune.

So if sourcewatch isn't just a leftist/commie site to denounce unbelievers they will have a file on Soros.

Soros is playing big in climate change. For example:

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Billionaire George Soros, looking to address the ?political problem? of climate change, said he will invest $1 billion in clean-energy technology and create an organization to advise policy makers on environmental issues.

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And he is linked to realclimate.org home of Mann and Schmidt as well as funding Hansen. For example:

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Domain ID:D105219760-LROR Domain Name:REALCLIMATE.ORG Created On:19-Nov-2004 16:39:03 UTC Last Updated On:30-Oct-2005 21:10:46 UTC Expiration Date:19-Nov-2007 16:39:03 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR) Status:OK Registrant ID:B133AE74B8066012 Registrant Name:Betsy Ensley Registrant Organization:Environmental Media Services Registrant Street1:1320 18th St, NW Registrant Street2:5th Floor Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Washington Registrant State/Province:DC Registrant Postal Code:20036 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.2024636670

Additional Details Here is the ZoomInfo on Betsy:

# Betsy Ensley, Web Editor/Program Coordinator: Betsy joined the staff of EMS in April 2002 as a program assistant for EMS's toxics program. Presently, she manages BushGreenwatch.org, a joint EMS-MoveOn.org public awareness website, and coordinates environmental community media efforts to protect and improve environmental and public health safeguards. Before coming to EMS, Betsy interned at the U.S. Department of State in the office of the Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. Betsy graduated with honors from the University of Iowa in 2000, where she majored in Global Studies with thematic focus on war, peace and security. She minored in Asian languages.

It looks like part of Betsy's salary is paid by MoveOn.org who is funded by George Soros.

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On a sunny day (Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:31:12 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman wrote in :

There is no proof whatsover that CO2 levels have caused warming in the past. And even if you assumed CO2 levels did, where did the CO2 come from? It is much more simple (Occam's) to think CO2 levels went up because the warmer climate had more animals populate the earth.... But even that may not be so.

On a sunny day (Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:59:41 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman wrote in :

Without the [fossile] energy companies there would be no media, no energy, as your car does not run on electricity (yet). Without those machines, used to build cities, roads, transport goods, there would be no civilisation and not even internet, and no printing material, no paper, some paper manufacturers have their own power plants. Been there. Now wake up from your green dreams. Or renounce it all, and go live on one of the last energy free little islands... atolls...

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Green 2009 =3D=3D Red.

Once green meant people who really were concerned about the environment. Now it's just an entree, a pretext, a populist theme to gain power; a backdoor. One of Alinsky's Rules.

-- Cheers, James Arthur