Well, they obviously had assets. Start-ups not so much.
Cheers
Phil
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
We deal with startups, often academic research spinouts, and these people are really hard to pin down on details, as in enough specs to actually design and package electronics. The best customers are aerospace outfits, who understand about reality and incidentally pay their bills on time. You rarely find an airhead in the aerospace biz.
We ran into a small optical outfit at the Photonics West show. We'd loaned them a laser driver board so they could do a demo to investors or customers or something. The CEO said "you saved our lives." So, why did they keep the loaner and not pay for it?
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Mostly what other people have said, but my spin:
1: Get a contract signed before you do a lick of work. The agreement should spell out what you are going to do, and how much and what you get paid. Make it clear that the client is paying for effort expended and parts, not for results. 2: If you're putting equipment and/or original design into it, put a clause into the contract that specifies that you own all intellectual property and equipment until the contract is paid in full. 3: When in doubt about the client, get payment up front. Personally, if I'm in doubt about the client I just don't do the work, but with your customer base you may not be able to do that.-- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com
Regardless of any amount of family tension it may cause, I think you should take him to court over the value of the equipment and cables that you bought and are now part of his set-up. Tell him that if he doesn't want to be sued over it you'll happily file a police report for the theft of your property. If his father in law complains, tell HIM that you'll happily name him as an accomplice in the police report.
-- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com
In the original .com crash, a landlord didn't get a rent check. Called but nobody answered. Knocked on the door, nobody there. Everybody was gone: employees, managers, board of directors, all gone. All the kilobuck black chairs and foosball tables were still there.
Goodwill refused to take any more office furniture.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
1) If I'm going to have to spend any money or more than just a couple of hours of my time, I never do "friend of the family" work. That will prevent this in the future. 2) Always have a contract for the work. Spell out what you will do and what it will cost. Have a provision for cost of changes to the original. If the client wont sign the contract, walk way, you are about to get screwed. 3) For the current situation, tell your family members what is going on and that you may have to seek legal remedies against the client. A simple comment from one of your family members may release the log jam. If not, at least your family knows what is going on.
-- Chisolm Republic of Texas
Well - assuming the OP is a UK resident. I would assume he's likely USAsian on the balance of probabilities...
Den onsdag den 8. juli 2015 kl. 22.06.11 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:
here all companies have to be a member of a national foundation that guarantees vacation, pensions payments, and salary for the minimum three month severance for employees in case of bankruptcy and they are a privileged creditor
-Lasse
ALways ask for %50 of cost upfront before you start.
Make sure the %50 is enough to cover material loss incase they run.
Jamie
And if you really want to get a response from him, sit him infront of a computer and have him read all of these replies :)
Jamie
Never, never buy any significant material on behalf of a client unless they've already paid you. This even applies to travel expenses.
Fortunately (in a way) many states have gotten a lot more attentive to their sales tax situation, which makes the client presentation easier.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
that can be problem here, once you send the bill you have to pay VAT, if they don't pay the bill you are out of that money until the next VAT period
-Lasse
Told his son-in-law not to pay me for the work.
I would ta[k to your friend. I expect he has some problems with his father in law. Tell your friend you would rather not work on any project where h is father in law is involved. And remind him that you spent a fair amount of time teaching him how to set it up.
And then tell him that he owes you for the parts you bought. So either pay for the parts or give them back. Say that if he is not satisfied with the work , you are willing to donate that time to him, but he owes you for the parts. So he can do as his father in law says and not pay you for the wor k, but he does need to pay you for the parts.
If he does not agree to pay for the parts, then he is not that good of a fr iend. And take him and his father in law to small claimn court.
Dan
Hmm, sounds bad. A number of my clients are in California, which is pleasantly (to me) weird about sales tax. That makes it much easier for me to insist that the client buy the materials and ship them to me.
It's better for everyone that way in any event, but this makes the pitch easier. Since we live in this era of administrative tyranny, we have to take what we can get. :(
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
Nah. If they're holding your property and refusing to give it back or pay you, call the cops. That clarifies a lot of issues in a big, big hurry.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
Outrageous! Socialism! Breadlines and collapse of technological civilization imminent!
I spoke with him this afternoon, and he claims that it was just a misunderstanding. That they're going to pay me, that it's just a matter of being reimbursed from the venue that he's associated with, he doesn't have the money out of pocket and the venue needs to raise it, and so on.
I have the feeling I'm going to be paid eventually but it's going to take forever. Wish I hadn't signed up for this.
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er the gear you paid for that he has and is using, and tell him, if he likes the stuff and wants to keep it, here is what you paid for it and he owes y ou that amount. If he doesn't want the gear, then he should give it back to you. I'd just take a loss on your time to keep peace in the family, bu t not on the gear you paid for.
+1, Doing work for friends is about the same as lending them money. For small amounts, I'm happy to do it, and being paid or paid back, is a bonus. (At least that's how I look at it.) If you've put out money for real stuff, then that needs to be paid back or returned.George H.
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