Ever heard of heat pollution?

What nonsense.

"It should be noted that in 25 years of testing, no experimenter has detected harmful emissions or residue resulting from the technology."

In 25 years of testing, nobody has detected net power production, either.

Robo-cats. Won't scratch the sofa.

There's no need to run a year to prove the science.

We(*) are all for cheap energy. But we've all seen many hoaxes just like this one in our time. I've even turned down chances to work on one recently. They're always full of excuses and phony obstacles, like a one-year test operational test requirement.

(*) Except for the 'green' and AlGoreWarming industries.

If the science were proven no one would need a one-year test run (that's engineering). The reason they need a one-year test is precisely because the science doesn't work.

No hard feelings, just sayin'...

Cheers, James Arthur

Why a year long test? You'd think that the first gigawatthour of free energy would make the point.

At the time of the publication of cold fusion by Fleischmann and Pons I worked at a company with nuclear facility and an ex-director of it, a theoretical physicist, gave a seminar laying a possible working principle behind it.

Basically it said that inside the palladium matrix two heavy water molecules could become trapped inside a shared space, resulting in a tremendous effective pressure and effective temperature that would be sufficiently high to cause fusion. His arguments were based on quantum mechanics IIRC.

To me, a non-physicist, the way he explained it sounded quite convincing. Later of course he did not follow up with a seminar explaning how it could not possibly work. :)

joe

You can say that, however, many people have said they detected net power production, you just don't believe their measurements are correct.

Mikek

joe

Sorry. I don't hold a grudge against James Arthur - I'm sure he's a good friend to John Larkin (which must take some generosity of spirit).

I do dislike the political nonsense that he persistently posts, and see it as necessary to jeer whenever he makes a pretense of objective judgement.

You mean no one has published results that were unambiguous enough to believe the measurements were accurate. Even more importantly, no one has delivered a system that produces even one more joule than is put into it.

I don't recall anyone saying it was "impossible". But no one has been able to demonstrate excess heat reproducibly and no one has detected neutrons from it which should appear.

At this point I am happy to ignore the few reports from the scam artists about.

It won't fail the fake test. It won't pass any verifiable test either.

I don't know LENR is impossible, but I know Rossi is a fake.

I didn't see anything in this report that indicates any of this is real. It is just a summary of what others have reported with insufficient detail to verify any of it.

I think if the name sounds Italian, like Rossi, DeChiaro etc., one could assume it's fake. :)

joe

Well, if you think it's your job to do that, then by all means, go ahead...

joe

That's kind of you. I would have been dubious about persisting in what's somewhat anti-social behaviour without the support of influential participants in the usegroup.

Like Guglielmo Marconi, or Enrico Fermi ...

I read that paper as saying that 8 different researchers have excess heat, Rossi has a second device with excess heat. Then two researchers use hydrogen loading, which I see as a different system.

"Physics professor Parkhomov, at Lomonosov Moscow State University, Downloaded & read Second Rossi Lugano Report. Used info., designed & built his own ?knockoff? reactor. Reported COP in 2.0-3.0 range, comparable to early Rossi. Parkhomov results duplicated by Prof. Songsheng Jiang (PRC).

You will never know anything is real by reading a paper.

Mikek

It says there were reports of excess heat, etc. Nothing was done to consider how well any of the work was done. There have been many, many reports over the years by many researchers of heat or radiation or whatever. But none of it has stood up to scrutiny. Often the researchers themselves have retracted their claims.

Until someone produces results that can be directly duplicated, there is no reason to believe any of this is true.

Then we will never know anything is real and LENR will always be a joke.

Rossi and Lugano wrote a report describing their excess energy unit. Physics professor Parkhomov, at Lomonosov Moscow State University, read the report and duplicated it with positive results. Then Prof. Songsheng Jiang (PRC) duplicated Professor Parkhomov's result. You choose to believe they are all liars.

Ya.

Mikek

Basically yes - though more like all equally deluded. The kindest interpretation is that they are not very good at precise calorimetry.

The whole thing stinks of scammery - even more so since Rossi has previous convictions for this sort of thing (something I didn't know about last time we were discussing LENR). Given his past record you would have to be insane to take anything he says at face value!

It is quite simple really. Iff the thing is doing a nuclear reaction then isotope ratio analysis of the fuel will easily show that in *kg* quantities. Anyone can fake results in ug or mg amounts by buying in purified isotopic spikes available from Calutron specialist suppliers.