E-Meter?

I read in sci.electronics.design that Don Taylor wrote (in ) about 'E-Meter?', on Tue, 22 Mar 2005:

What I meant was that electronic engineers can rather easily produce plausible explanations for all the sorts of noise that tinnitus patients report (and some are even emitted from the ear canal and can be independently recorded). But it's a huge step from that to finding a way of repairing the damage.

Recently, it has been reported that hair-cell degeneration in some small experimental animal (chicken, guinea-pig, hamster,) has been reversed by a natural growth-factor. That would help with age-related high-frequency loss, and perhaps with tinnitus as well. A Google using 'hair-cell*regeneration' (the asterisk with no spaces forces an AND rule) produces lots of hits that you may well find interesting.

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It's especially fun diagnosing and "treating" a cat that's just been through a stand of sandburs:

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You can't see the burs, because they're buried in hair, but they're needle-sharp and hurt more than a needle, probably because of the shape of the points. And I think they're barbed - this was the closest pic I could find on short notice.

We wound up with me holding the cat by the feet, and the GF going through and finding the burs and cutting the hair to get them off the cat.

This was also the cat that would get out, and play "make a monkey out of the human" as she went chasing after it. I kept trying to tell her, "Let it go! It'll come back when it gets hungry. It knows where the cat food is." Some years after we'd broken up, we were talking and she said, "Oh, by the way, I finally left the cat out and didn't go chase it, and you know what? He came back!"

Cats are a disease.

Oh, and back to the GSR meter - an ohmmeter works just fine. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

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Rich Grise

I read in sci.electronics.design that Don Taylor wrote (in ) about 'E-Meter?', on Tue, 22 Mar 2005:

Maybe not, just underestimating how much an experience vet can Sherlock out of small signs. I would emphasise that I am not a vet.

Yes, cats can be rather difficult. But the drill is just as for human people; look first. Eyes can signal pain quite well. Elevated heart-rate, rapid breathing, prostration - all these signs are indicative.

Palpation is the next step, AFTER visual observation, I believe. Observation can give a good steer to where the pain is, and its nature. Abdominal pain can be difficult, of course, but, for instance, in an elderly cat, kidney and bladder trouble can be indicated by an inability to micturate. Pain due to skeletal trauma can be indicated by characteristic posture.

Cats, however apparently friendly and tolerant, should always be constrained in a rubber boot, IMHO.

Ah, I don't want to go there. I think it's far too dangerous.

I'm not sure that increased understanding of the mechanism would help. The structures involved are very small indeed. Knowing that the noise is due to Q9 in an SMD op-amp is not much help if you can't change the whole op-amp because the PCB is potted, and the ear stuff is around 1000 times smaller, and potted in rather sensitive material!

Lighten up!

Oh, yes, you could do it with chimeras. Now, as it happens, about half the human population has chimera potential. It's been known for a long time that females have two X chromosomes, but it was assumed that only one was active. That's been found not to be true; in many women, both are active, but in different cells. On-going studies suggest that the situation in any given female may be quite complex.

Now if one half of a woman has thinner myelin than the other, can that half run faster? (;-)

This is very like the current position on objective measurement of speech intelligibility

That's the sort of inspiration we want for the intelligibility issue.

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'What is a Moebius strip?'
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John Woodgate

I read: demago...

Thomas

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Zak

Why? Planning on going into business building them yourself?

Not a good idea IMHO. You could end up catching them blame for any psychic damage that may result from the use of an 'unapproved' meter. There is no way to demonstrate that the correct operation of your product will result in a positive outcome of a session in which it is used.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

How about DemonizoGalvanoMetroniks? (for the schematics)

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Robert Baer

You mean, you've never DEMONstrated a prototype? >:->

Cheers! Rich

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Rich Grise

Why not just argue back that their methods are actually wrong and that your methods actually work to correct and balance the 'life energy' of a person?

Just as there would be no way to objectively dispute someone else's arguments that your device is unapproved and may cause psychic damage (since there is no objective measure), there is also no way for them to objectively dispute your own claims that it is theirs that presents the higher risks of causing psychic damage.

I'd imagine that knife cuts both ways.

Of course, I suppose the real difference is that the 'big business' of Scientology has a lot more money than most.

Jon

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Jonathan Kirwan

On the other hand, it is rather hard to prove a negative...

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Robert Baer

Many megabucks of spare change.

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Robert Baer

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jonathan Kirwan wrote (in ) about 'E-Meter?', on Thu,

24 Mar 2005:

Yes, the objective measure in such cases is the 'megabuck'.

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Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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John Woodgate

And just wait till you meet their legal staff.

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Dave VanHorn

Reminds me of an old joke:

Heaven and Hell are actually separated by nothing more than a fence. After a time, the fence fell into disrepair and God called the devil over to assess the situation. God said, "Since this fence is on our property line, we should each pay half of the repair cost."

The devil replied, "Fix it if you want, but I'm not going to contribute a thing."

God countered, "Oh yeah? I'll see you in court!"

The devil, picking himself up of the ground after a hearty laugh, replied, "That's very funny. Where are you ever going to find a lawyer?"

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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Nested below your excellent link, I found the following tenchincal details about the e-meter,

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but I still have one question. Why do you need an 8051 on a VOM meter with a needle galvanometer? It's all analog!!!

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Death to Smoochy

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@Hovnanian.com:

Better. Planning to teach *real* psychologists to use them.

ROTFLMWAO

Psychic damage?! Gimmee a break! This is me laughing at you.

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Oh, ahh.... Whew!

I always enjoy a good laugh at the expense of the stupid.

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Death to Smoochy

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote in news:4243A087.DE4C67F7 @Hovnanian.com:

....and God said, "What do you mean 'find'? I'm going to create the only honest lawyer that has ever existed," and snapped his fingers. Jesus Christ himself appeared in a puff of smoke, wearing an Italian suit.

Get it?

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Death to Smoochy

"Dave VanHorn" wrote in news:o5ydnYni2ulneN_fRVn- snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

I'm anxiously awaiting their viscous e-mail ....

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..... still waiting.

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Death to Smoochy

I think that page has a heading under which it explains why the 8051 is appropriate.

Jon

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Jonathan Kirwan

Its oozing slowly through the mail slot.

;-)

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