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A googlin' I will go... (California smoking neighbor lawsuit)

I found several links to neighbors in apartment buildings (not houses) suing over smoke in the stairwells and through the ventilators, mostly not in California.

The newspaper article I saw was specifically addressing smelling smoke in their backyard coming from the neighbors.

I occasionally smell smoke from my neighbors, but 'tain't tobacco ;-)

...Jim Thompson

What about choice? You can refuse to patronize a place that allows smoking. I'm not a smoker, but I find it as offensive as smoke for the government to tell a business how it does business. I find it particularly abhorent for government to tell private clubs what they can or cannot do.

He has, but understand the other side. Does your right to not smoke trump the idiot Rich's right to? Should you be able to infringe on his space and then bitch about? If you had a shred of honest in you, you'd demand that tobacco be outlawed. Fat chance, since it's been replacing other tax increases needed to support the welfare state for the last decade.

EXACTLY! ...and to tell WWII vet that he can't smoke in his own club is just nutz!

Dirk Bruere wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@individual.net:

Then you have no idea of what a -religion- is,plain and simple.

Not really;it's a health matter for everyone,customers and employees.

One Florida community is considering a cig ban on their beaches,because of the large amount of tossed cig butts.Good for them.

Jim Thompson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

I live in an apartment,and I often get smokers smoke,and cig butts out on my screened lanai. I should lose the use of MY lanai because smokers are polluting the air,dropping ashes on me? No. Smoking is also a large fire hazard.One idiots butt almost started a fire on my lanai.

Jim Thompson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Smokers smoking out on the streets toss their cig butts,messing up everywhere,and they also start fires. And for those who claim that's only a "small minority",I say they're full of crap.The small minority are the polite ones,who ask if it's a problem before lighting up,who dispose of ALL their litter properly.

There really is no such thing as "separated air spaces" in restaurants. The smoke travels everywhere.Smokers cannot tell,but non-smokers can. I can smell it when smokers come beck from smoking out on the patio,the only place it's allowed. Then you also get smokers smoking in the restrooms. Sometimes they start fires in the trashcans.

Keith wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzz:

Why should I limit the public places I go when it's the smokers who are polluting the air and creating a health and fire hazard for everyone,customers and employees? We're eliminating the problem,not compensating for it.

Private clubs should be left alone. TRULY private clubs,not those open to the public.

The right to breathe clean air does trump his right to smoke.

Why should you tell me what to do in my home? You can go there, or not.

No you aren't. These are *private* establishments. Some are even private clubs. Who says that you are even welcome?

They aren't. Your kind dosn't give them any break (employees and all that crap).

That just shows how little you know about the issue.

No, there is no right intrinsic right to not be offended. Please be elsewhere if you don't like smoke.

I think there are a couple of other factors operating.

(1) Unwillingness of businesses to take risks unless all their competitors have to take the same risk. Restaurants and bars almost always experience an *increase* in income after they go smoke-free. (More people are willing to sit in a room of a fixed size before they start to consider it too crowded.) But no individual restaurant or bar wants to be the first to do it. This is somewhat irrational, but it's part of the way businesses behave.

(In a free market, you'd expect them to partition; have a few smoky restaurants and a larger number of non-smoking ones. But that doesn't seem to be the way any of them want it.)

(2) Employee safety. We agree, in this country, that you cannot subject employees to unnecessary hazards even if you pay them and even if they "voluntarily" chose to work there. In a tight market, people always feel pressure to take jobs that they don't consider entirely satisfactory. That is what led to all sorts of industrial safety scandals about 100 years ago.

Well... If you employ people to be waiters and waitresses and breathe secondhand smoke all day, and they get lung cancer or emphysema, you're in hot water, given the general expectation that employers will not poison their employees.

Of these, I think (2) is a bigger factor than generally realized. No employer wants to be sued for the effects of secondhand smoke on an employee. It's just like any other workplace hazard.

I don't think anybody here has advocated prohibiting people from smoking in their own homes, with no one present who objects.

Ah, "your kind." You're not arguing with anybody who actually exists.

There's increasing evidence that secondhand smoke isn't just unpleasant, it's harmful.

More generally: Do you believe in any restrictions on air pollution (e.g., from industry)? Why or why not?

violence

I don't think tobacco should be outlawed. It makes a wonderful insecticide.

Keith wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzz:

As long as "your home" does not share common walls or roof with mine,I would not tell you what to do.

If they are OPEN TO THE PUBLIC,they are not truly "private". They must meet health regs,safety and fire regs. Smoking falls under health and fire regs.

Employees deserve clean air to breathe while the work;workplace safety laws. If you run the business yourself,then you have no employees and you can do as you wish.

"Breathe" does not equal "offended".

I also should have said "clean,SAFE air" to breathe.

Please be elsewhere if you must smoke.

YOU are the one -causing- the foul air.

"mc" wrote in news:XrRbg.54408$ snipped-for-privacy@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

His approach would be "if you don't like it,move somewhere else." The same for workplace safety;"if you don't like the dangerous,unsafe conditions,get some other job." "If you don't like unsafe food,go eat somewhere else."

"and *I* didn't toss those butts..." "just a few bad smokers tossed all those butts."

and so on....

You must live in a third-world part of the US.

Around here we have restaurants with separated walled areas with their own A/C systems. But they're fading away... there are fewer and fewer smokers.

...Jim Thompson

There's a lot of difference between apartment living and separated houses.

...Jim Thompson

As long as it's *MY* home, you can just poke your nose somewhere else.

They are *NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC*. Sheesh, do you know what a PRIVATE CLUB IS?

Next you're going to tell them to stop selling peanuts because some are allergic to them. If you don't like it, go away.

No answer?

Work elsewhere. Do note that they have a smoking room for employees.

One can breathe smoke. It is exactly an issue of being _offended_. It is a control issue.

There is no evidence that second hand smoke is particularly dangerous. Perhaps you should be allowed to drive either. It's just not safe.

You don't read very well do you?

The disappointing thing about cigarettes is that they take so long to kill, so smokers aren't efficiently enough eliminated from the gene pool.

John

So you admit that it's not a healt issue, rather that your sensitive nose is offended.

Show me the statistics of death doue to fires caused my smokers avoiding smoking bans by smoking in restrooms.