Convenience über alles!

Got it in one. They didn't have to be very quick either since it is entirely short bursts of stop start driving. The weight of the batteries was huge though. The odd one would have hand brake failure on a hill and run away down it destroying whatever it happened to hit at the bottom.

They were not quite silent either since the bottles would make chink chink noises rattling around in their metal frame carriers.

Par for the course these days. Our bin men don't get to my village until about lunchtime so it isn't a problem for me.

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Martin Brown
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The 19th century Victorians used white lead for caulking things like gutters and water cisterns fed by them. Cisterns were ubiquitous in urban and rural settings. All the manufacturing centers, everywhere, were unbelievable disasters. You want acid rain? Just burn coal like the Victorians did, for everything. Germany was another hellacious hellhole coal burner up to fairly recently, perpetually suffocated by coal burning emissions. In places like Essen you didn't have enough visibility to see clearly across the street, and that was 1960s. There's no question all the heavy metal pollution and contamination made them into a nation of lunatics by the early 20th century. It's no coincidence that was the first generation completely saturated with contamination since they were conceived. The English were not much better, maybe being an island resulted in slightly better air circulation than the on the continent.

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Fred Bloggs

Yeah I will agree I've only rarely met anyone in their 20s or 30s paying several thousand a month in rent who seemed like they had a skillset worth whatever their Boston employer was paying them to be able to afford that.

One of the reasons the university system in the US has become such a racket and they can charge anything is that if you're rich, and you're white, that degree is still a pretty reliable ticket to a white-collar job. Someone will almost surely hire you eventually in a way that a person without the credentials would not be even if they had the same skillset.

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bitrex

Your reading skills are very impressive. You read into a post, so much that isn't there at all.

It would be nice if you didn't bother to correct people when you have no idea what they are talking about.

Not that it matters much. This thread has drifted far off topic, über alles.

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Ricky

Not something I plan on doing. The local Triumph dealer has a line of electric motorcycles. Since bikes aren't feasible here from November to May I assume it would have to be on some sort of float charger too but I doubt taking the battery out isn't the 5 minute job as with the VStrom.

Same here but if the vehicle is 12 years or older you can pay what amounts to 2 years of registrations and the plates are permanent; you never pay again. Bikes are a one shot registration regardless of the vehicle year. You pay once when you purchase it and never again. Trailers of all sorts are the same.

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rbowman

I notice you just love telling people they don't know what they're talking about. Which is kind of a joke since you're one of the most ignorant people on usenet.

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Fred Bloggs

Ok, it''s clear this guy is a troll, with nothing to contribute to even a drifted conversation. Very unusual in s.e.d.

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Ricky

You need an emission test in order to get your registration, here. Results must be submitted with registration renewal.

(some vehicles it's just checking the OBD; others take a trip on the dyno).

The registration cost drops to something trivial over time -- though the emissions test is a constant cost regardless of how tested (IIRC).

OTOH, *licenses* are issued once and not renewed until 65th birthday. That's a change from other places I've lived (with ~4 year renewal cycles)

[I can't recall CDL requirements; likely renewed pretty regularly]
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Don Y

In Australia it is quite a lot cheaper to generate electricity with solar cells or windmills that it is to generate by burning coal, gas or oil in in old-fashioned generating plants. Electric cars production is a factor of ten smaller than internal combustion car production, so each one costs roughly twice as much to make.

They are selling largely because they are more efficient and thus cheaper to run per mile travelled.

When economy of scale kicks in harder, they will be quite a lot cheaper. "In practice" usually means "my outdated idea of what used to be true".

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Anthony William Sloman

It doesn't say anything of the sort. It talks about how genes work, and points out that while the genes that influence intelligence are very numerous none of them have much effect on their own. John Larkin seems to have conflated it with "The Bell Curve" which wasn't nearly as well researched.

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was much better researched, and explained how going to Harvard was always better than going to some cheap state college - all the rich creep whose parents paid through the nose to get them into Harvard know all kinds of people who have good jobs to offer to friends of their kids.

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Anthony William Sloman

There are some who have a gut instinct that when something is bought more, the price must go up. They ignore the matter of economy of scale, but also, that the increase in sales is partly due to the low price continuing to drop. With the rapid adoption of new technologies, energy costs can continue to drop, just as modern electronics brought down the cost of many items such as TVs (compare a color tube set from the 60s to a flat panel now).

I don't think the economy of scale applies to the entire auto market in the way you seem to be describing. Much of a BEV car is the same as an ICE. It is only the motor and battery that has a premium cost. So there's no additional economy of scale for the common parts. Even with larger quantities, it will be a while before much savings is had, because of the cost of ramping up material production. New lithium, and other raw material sources cost money to develop. That requires sustainable higher prices to continue the process of ramping up. Once the cost stabilizes at a higher price the sources will be developed and prices can creep down again. So in the short term, handful of years, we are not likely to see lower BEV prices, but beyond that, they will resume to seek a bottom.

As the outlier, GM has announced lower prices for the Bolt. $26,000 for their lowest priced model. We'll see if they can keep selling them at that price.

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Ricky

There was only one kid at my fairly affluent public high school who seemed like a "natural" genius. He hardly had to study very hard and was at Princeton IAS by about age 25 or something.

There were no shortage of kids who ended up at other quality schools including MIT that scored 1600s SATs though, but I recall to get there their parents shoveled money into after-school tutoring and other such extra-curriculars for many months to get a leg up to pull those scores.

There were some recent Soviet expats living in the area who were a bit perplexed as to why these public schools they'd heard had such an excellent reputation seemed mediocre in practice; they didn't see them as being much better at educating their kids than what the parents had experienced back in Estonia.

They didn't "get" (at least not immediately, anyway, there are a number of Russian-owned private tutoring services in the area now particularly in math) there was an unwritten-kinda rule in wealthy New England that you were supposed to be shoveling money at your kids for a concurrent private education and that this then translated into reviews of "excellent public school system" for the area.

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bitrex

Obviously, but a much bigger mine has it own built in economies of scale. Australian iron ore mines are huge, and each one comes with anew railway to get the ore to a new port. A new lithium mine is likely to be just as big, and offer the same kind of economy of scale,

Not really. When the Chinese bumped up solar cell production volume by a factor of ten, the price went down, not up.

If you bump up production volume a lot you have sell a lot more product to pay the interest on the capital you invested. You make lots of product as soonas you can and price it to move.

Probably not.

They wouldn't have dropped the price if they didn't need to sell more of them.

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Anthony William Sloman

A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they're there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can't believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.

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Fred Bloggs

No emissions tests in this state.

I think it was 5 years like the DL. I dropped my CDL when you had to go through DHS screening for a HazMat endorsement. I once thought I'd drive summers after I retired but I never got around to retiring and realized my enthusiasm for living in a truck had waned. Quite a few married couples do that; it's like RVing with someone else buying the gas and paying you to boot.

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rbowman

True. But his metric was "years in education" which is pretty unspecific. His data-base is places like "23 and me" which offer a lot of genomes but aren't set up to collect much data from even people who - like me - who are willing to provide the data.

Harvard is very selective, but the students whose parents want their kids to get into Harvard pay a lot for extra instruction to make their kids look good.

But it doesn't say what John Larkin likes to think it says. He's got Flyguy's kind of reading comprehension - he can always understand text in a way that suits what he wants it to say.

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Anthony William Sloman

One of the non-profits I'm affiliated with has asked me to get forklift certified so I could "cover" for those times when no one else was on-hand to operate.

Fine. I can OCCASIONALLY schlep pallets around the Yard (gravel-over-earth so a pallet jack doesn't cut it) for 15-20 minutes. Or, help load the truck (someone with a pallet jack inside to receive pallets I'd load on the lift gate with fork lift).

But, when they asked me to get my CDL (their expense) for similar reasons, it was easy to see how I'd spend my one-day-per-week, there, schlepping stuff around *town* (loading/driving/unloading is not my idea of a fun way to spend a day -- largely outdoors in 100F heat!). So, I conveniently forgot to go for the medical... and that ended that! :>

RVing wouldn't be my idea of fun, either. I dislike traveling (in all forms). I'm waiting for the first commercial teleporters...

[Colleagues from around the country get together a few times annually for an offsite where we can discuss our projects, catch up, etc. The dilemma is always: "Do I want to HOST (which means no need to travel but a fair effort to coordinate the event) or do I want to BE hosted (which means traveling but few other responsibilities)?" As folks tend to be eager to "visit", here, it's pretty easy to "win" a bid to host...]
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Don Y

The company I worked for had local drivers but I was OTR. Loading carpet at the LA terminal and delivering it to Dalton GA, then loading more carpet and going back to LV or LA was not uncommon. We rarely had to touch the carpet. Furniture was the other money maker that usually was warehouse to warehouse.

I wanted to be a truck driver when I was a kid and when I needed a break from the tech world I finally got around to it. It was fun for a while but it gets old after a few hundred thousand miles. The best part was I could quit in November, spend the winter in AZ, then go back north in April or May, climb in a truck and take up where I left off. Now my boss gets a little sweaty if I'm out of town for a long weekend and even if I'm on vacation I'm watching email and Slack.

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rbowman

You are confusing the free market with government subsidized industry growth. I'm talking about the natural order of business economics. A good example is shale oil production. Oil prices were high and the industry was created. Oil prices dropped to a point where it was no longer affordable and production stopped. Now that oil prices are high again, shale oil won't resume unless there is an indication the high prices will last long enough for the investment to be recovered with profit. That said, it would seem the forecasts do indicate continued high prices, so there are efforts to increase oil production, including shale oil.

In the case of battery materials, very large investments are required. The gain in efficiency won't be seen, until these investments are made *and paid for*. Companies are not altruistic, they will have to recoup their investments. So they won't expand production unless they know they will be able to sell at a clear profit for the near future. I.e. higher prices for a few more years.

You sell a lot more when the demand exists. At this point going forward, the demand for battery materials is not very flexible. Automakers are betting the farm on the rapid expansion of BEV production and need more materials. They will pay what the market can offer. That cost will be passed on to the consumer who is currently happy to pay premium prices to get the BEVs they want. In another 3 to 5 years, there will be more competition and buyers will want to shop price more, but the market will be what it is. The number of BEVs won't increase 50% by lowering the cost by $1,000 or $2,000. Although, it seems that's what GM is counting on. They've dropped the price of the 2023 Bolts by $3,000, clearly in an attempt to regain market share after their battery fiasco. We'll see how well that works for them. Meanwhile Tesla has increases the minimum prices for the model 3 and Y and continue to sell everything they can produce with months long waiting lists.

Duh! That wasn't the question. The question is are they losing money on every BEV they sell? That's not uncommon to gain market share. Like a pilot giving up altitude for airspeed.

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Ricky

Yeah, we had a national chain that used to bring all of their electronic kit to us for refurbishment/recycling. An 18 wheeler would show up every month. Driver would just "stand around" waiting for us to unload.

Times I had to unload the truck by myself! Climb in, move pallet to rear of truck. Jump down. Get in forklift. Pull pallet off back of truck and drop it <somewhere>. Climb back in truck, move next pallet to rear of truck... lather, rinse, repeat.

I used to wonder why the driver wouldn't offer to help. Then, realized he's probably getting paid to *wait* for me! <frown>

Yeah, I had that feeling before my first cross country driving trip; I'll see all of the states FROM THE GROUND (previously had visited almost all of the states but by air -- so very selective "pinhole" views). I recall driving into Kansas (or maybe it was Nebraska). "Gee, this is interesting. A totally featureless landscape!" Thirty minutes later, "OK, I'm ready to move on to something NEW..." (Hours later, still more of the same!)

My solution was to work for myself. As it's relatively easy to make far more money than I can (realistically) spend, I could trade that surplus for "free time". Standing joke is that I retired 40 years ago! :>

Keeping weird hours/calendar means no one knows *when* to expect a reply. (I quickly learned to give up the business line and force everyone to use email. I'm not real keen on having to drop what I'm doing just because YOU want something!)

This has a strong impact on cutting down the number of "what if" conversations to those that really matter! (don't waste my time expecting me to tell you why your idea has problems; figure it out for yourself -- THEN run it past me. Keeping in mind that we've already written the contract for THIS project...)

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Don Y

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