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No, they are not.

That was a very lame troll.

Natural selection has selected us for empathy. We are the most empathetic apes and primates. We have selected to cooperate rather than conflict.

That's only partly right. The bigger issue than overpopulation is a classic public good problem ("tragedy of the commons"). Property rights are insufficiently specified. There are externalities caused by people's economic activity that they have no incentive to internalize.

It is false to say that "more CO2 is better." More CO2 *might* be better, but only up to a point, and we have passed the point of optimality. More CO2 *now* is going to have more downside than any conceivable upside. CO2 is necessary for plant growth, but too much CO2 will reduce yields. It would be like applying 50 kg of fertilizer to one rose bush: that will kill the plant. In addition, even if a little more CO2 at ground level would encourage plant growth and higher yields, the effect of global warming on arability will more than negate that. And that, of course, doesn't even take into consideration the effect of global warming on the inhabitability of places that already have large populations.

CO2 is greening the earth. Warm is less deadly than cold, by about

Look it up.

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True. And in large part because the scarcity of resources (i.e water) forced humans to band together to irrigate fields in dry climates (Persia, Egypt, China, India) if they were to squeeze any food out of the soil. Co-operation driven by necessity, the collective is a greater good, resources and labor must be shared, great empires were born.

You make it sound as if atheists deny themselves pleasure. That is completely and utterly false. Rather, it's religion that preaches that pleasure is sinful and that abstinence is a condition to attain salvation and eternal bliss.

Atheists tend to be individualists, making up their own minds, That makes it hard to organize them into a coherent movement. Most atheists do not care what other people think.

Jeroen Belleman

No, it's not. It's destroying arability and making formerly inhabitable locales uninhabitable.

So why not heat our houses to 125° F?

You're an idiot.

Religious people have lots of fun. I think that lots of church-goers are there for the social interaction (and the food!) (and meeting mates!) as much as for the spiritual part.

One thing that religion preaches is that a lot of messing around leads to STDs. Antibiotics and birth control are modern inventions. That ole time religion was protective, so was selected.

Not much in my experience. They are mostly nasty.

Right. Anti-social.

And they have to kill the neighboring tribes for those fields.

With the internet and multiple news sources, we can find tribes to join, or to hate, all over the world.

The dynamics seems to favor creating two major competing tribes, and a lot of minor ones.

Try thinking now and then. You might come to eventually enjoy it.

Your concession of defeat is noted and celebrated.

The arability of land is not simply a matter of heat input. A cursory look at any globe will amply confirm that. In a wide belt centred on the equator, where heat input is presumably at its maximum, vegetation is lush and abundant. At both northern and southern latitudes, there are wide belts with desert-like conditions. Even further north or south, vegetation is once again abundant, up until the extremes of latitude where lack of heat makes vegetation again impossible. Clearly heat has little to do with arability, though extreme cold does.

Climate change may move this about some, but I doubt it. Desert-like conditions appear to be due to global airflow patterns, which depend on temperature gradients and large-scale geographic features, not so much on absolute temperature.

Your debating skills leave to be desired.

We're way off-topic again. I'm mightily impressed with Chinese achievements. They're well on their way of becoming a modern industrial superpower. If the west wants to usefully compete with them, we'd better get to work instead of trying to ward them off with protectionist measures.

Jeroen Belleman

I am sorry that your experience with atheists is so negative. In my experience, this is definitely not general. Most often, unless provoked, atheists will not assert their stance, so you wouldn't even know.

There are assholes of all sorts, I suppose.

Jeroen Belleman

The thing to celebrate is how much better things are getting for plants and for people. I think CO2 helps, and the things that generate CO2 certainly help.

Do you design electronics?

Carbon dioxide is a poison.

No.

No.

They aren't. Global warming is harming people.