Biden Announces First Moronic Act

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an half of what they received. At this rate of vaccination, we will still b e in lockdown by the end of the year.

scaled down vaccination schedule they're doing now.

line (to the state 'governors) and in the future (at least 2 week later). It's a very safe political statement.

MERS that have been reviewed show a strong association between initial anti body response and lasting immunity. People with the strongest initial respo nse still show immunity 6 years later. People with weaker initial response last maybe 2 years. The two 100 ug doses at 3-4 week interval result in a v ery strong antibody response following the second dose. The first dose alon e doesn't cut it. The single dose the politicians are proposing will probab ly result in a reduced effectiveness of 70% instead of 95%, and that effect iveness will degrade towards 0% after 2 years.

eir act together and do a better job, much better job, of administering it. They also need to educate the fools that it will take 2 months from vaccin ation to achieve the best protection they can get, so it won't be party tim e yet.

the real virus couple of weeks later. If the symptoms are light and recover able, perhaps it's better than to give them a second dose.

tentionally slowing it down to see more data from initial batch of vaccinat ion, as well as waiting for other vaccines such as J&J and OxAZ.

AY more than giving them the second dose. This whole dose adjustment thing is coming from blue state politicians trying to excuse the unsatisfactory p erformance of their workforce.

s, it might be worth a shot. Hopefully, the initial shot triggers protectio ns of vital organs, but the vaccine is never like the real thing. Antibody can break down the real virus and offer better protection down the line.

To give an idea of how easy it is to mass produce the vaccine, a crummy 2 l iter bioreactor makes 1 million doses. Pfizer and Moderna just announced a scale up to 2 billion doses. There's more vaccine than anyone knows what to do with. The bottleneck is with the incompetent people in government figur ing out how to administer it. Florida and California are their usual joke s elves. I would expect Texas to know better but apparently not. Bottom line is the job was handed off to government employees, and that's not going to cut it.

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Did you even read the article? The last paragraph states:

-------------(quote)-------------- Scott Gottlieb, a former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner under

President Trump, has been calling for making this change in strategy to accelerate vaccinations for weeks.

?This is a prudent move that will help expand Covid vaccine acces s to more high risk patients at a time when the epidemic is worsening, and the vaccine can be an important backstop,? he tweeted Friday in r esponse to Biden?s announcement.

---------(end quote)----------------

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"He's a tough case, because he's senile and uninhibited and has always been a blowhard expert about everything. And usually wrong."

Oh.....but Trump knows more than anybody....about everything......

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That's how she's commonly referred to in the US.

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But Americans get all sorts of stuff wrong. Don't pander to their ignorance.

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A good number of patriotic Americans are really fed up:

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That may be the case (and I was never in any doubt to whom you were referring) - but it's still completely wrong. Surely you are not the kind of person to write something you know to be wrong, just to follow a crowd of people who don't know better? (Maybe you didn't know it was wrong - in which case, contrary to long-standing s.e.d. tradition, you've learned something!)

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Yes, the government should release all the vaccine, and base on how fast th ey are actually vaccinated. So, slow states and health care providers shou ld not get any more vaccines. It doesn't make sense to release more just t o store them more in local facilities.

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Do you even know anything about Gottlieb? For one thing he's a fake MD, he doesn't have any knowledge or experience in a single area of research or pr actice that would lend any credibility to his *opinion*. He's a career fina ncial investor posing as policy analyst to advance his business interests. You're a simple minded fool to quote that pharma/ health insurance industry shill. Maybe you can understand why he's a Trump political appointee. People like you are better off sticking to reading Soldering Iron Today mag azine, anything else just confuses you.

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they are actually vaccinated. So, slow states and health care providers sho uld not get any more vaccines. It doesn't make sense to release more just t o store them more in local facilities.

Gottlieb wasn't talking about that. He was talking about delaying/skipping the second dose out to 12 weeks to never from the prescribed 3 weeks for Pf izer. He's not an immunologist and doesn't know what he's talking about. W hat more proof of his corruption and idiocy than he's the opinion and consu ltant of choice for nearly all the mass media. Wake up.

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st they are actually vaccinated. So, slow states and health care provider s should not get any more vaccines. It doesn't make sense to release more just to store them more in local facilities.

ing the second dose out to 12 weeks to never from the prescribed 3 weeks for Pfizer. He's not an immunologist and doesn't know what he's talking about. What more proof of his corruption and idiocy than he's the opinion and consultant of choice for nearly all the mass media. Wake up.

He doesn't sound like an idiot to me - at least in this interview:

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Dr. Gottlieb is also on the board for Pfizer since he left the FDA in

2019 - would that not make his comments relevant and in line with Pfizer's recommendations?

I don't think highly of most of Trumps appointees, but Dr. Gottlieb at least sounds competent. Must have been an aberration on Trump's part to actually get someone who knew something about the role he was being called to play.

I also don't know how I feel about his going to Pfizer from the FDA, Ms Warren called it a poor ethical decision on his part.

Perhaps it was. I don't know enough to comment on that.

He still seems competent on this subject.

There appears to be some flexibility on the 21 day recommended 2nd dose.

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Dr. Nabha said that there is more flexibility for those who get the second vaccine later than requested.

"If you're missing it by a few weeks," she said. "It's highly unlikely to be a significant issue. But if we're talking about several months, you might need to be re-vaccinated."

Overall, our experts agree that the best course of action is to get the second dose when requested.

"You want to stick to that second date as closely as possible," said Dr.

Nabha.

I believe that Dr. Gottlieb's point is, better to have one dose than none .

As supplies become available then the 2nd shot can likely be given soon enough to still be efficacious.

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We don't really know how long is the vaccine protection. We might need to re-vaccinate every 6 months anyway. So, single shot for everybody every 6 months.

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It doesn't seem that unreasonable.

Like so many things, it involves a risk-benefit analysis. The risk associated with doing it is that the next dose will not be available when required, because of some manufacturing problem.

The risk associated with not doing it is that it will slow the rate of vaccination.

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Gottlieb doesn't practice medicine so stop calling him a doctor. I think th e reason he had to step down from the FDA was because he had to recuse hims elf from so much decision making due to financial entanglements, it became a farce to even have him in the job.

It's clear he's pushing the single-/delayed- dosing of the vaccine because it will actually mean more vaccine sales for Pfizer. The vaccination is no doubt less effective, and it is known the immunity won't last as long. And Pfizer can name its own price as populations panic with very high rates of infection and serious illness. The first dose can be a really weak response , something like 0.1% the antibody titers from a booster.

Biden's plan is moronic.

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the reason he had to step down from the FDA was because he had to recuse hi mself from so much decision making due to financial entanglements, it becam e a farce to even have him in the job.

Most medical doctors aren't entitled to call themselves doctors. Strictly s peaking you shouldn't do it if you haven't got a D.Sc or a Ph.D.

If you want to make the point that he isn't licensed to practice medicine, find a better form of words.

e it will actually mean more vaccine sales for Pfizer.

How? Pfizer is going to be able to sell all the vaccine it can produce for a least a year, and probably a lot longer, until the entire world has been vaccinated. Since Covid-19 does mutate, vaccine-evasive strains will probab ly appear soon enough to let them keep on selling a new version of the vacc ine for quite while longer.

won't last as long.

To Fred Bloggs' complete satisfaction. More rational observers are less con fident

s of infection and serious illness. The first dose can be a really weak res ponse, something like 0.1% the antibody titre from a booster.

But still high enough to prevent the kind of severe infection that puts you in hospital - at least in the clinical trials.

That's Fred Bloggs' moronic opinion. More rational observers beg to differ.

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By diluting the dosing schedule they acquire more of the market. Duh. That locks them in for the delayed non-booster too. And the prospect of re-vacci nating the entire the entire world every two years is - mmmm-hmmmm- finger licking good. So everything works out in their favor.

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They have plenty of data on people who recovered from the first SARS to sup port this hypothesis. Some of the survivors still maintain an effective imm une response six years on. But those were people who had a very strong init ial antibody response. This phenomenon is nothing new, and the observation merely confirmed what researchers have suspected all along based on their e xperience with other viruses. Most viruses induce what's called an acute vi ral syndrome phase, and just exactly how well the victim emerges from that phase in terms of antibody titers and viremia, and possibly more arcane mar kers, gives clinicians very consistent means of prognosis for many outcome s of the disease, including long term immunity. And, no, you're not getting any f_cking links or further explanation. Communicating with you is like t alking to a dumb animal with mental problems.

tes of infection and serious illness. The first dose can be a really weak r esponse, something like 0.1% the antibody titre from a booster.

ou in hospital - at least in the clinical trials.

Those are the marketeers trying to salvage a failed product. Every single o ne of the viral vector and inactivated virus vaccines are garbage.

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Not a single one of the rational observers is a research scientist in the f ield.

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cause it will actually mean more vaccine sales for Pfizer.

for a least a year, and probably a lot longer, until the entire world has b een vaccinated. Since Covid-19 does mutate, vaccine-evasive strains will pr obably appear soon enough to let them keep on selling a new version of the vaccine for quite while longer.

t locks them in for the delayed non-booster too. And the prospect of re-vac cinating the entire the entire world every two years is - mmmm-hmmmm- finge r licking good. So everything works out in their favor.

Not if their vaccine isn't the most effective around.

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upport this hypothesis. Some of the survivors still maintain an effective i mmune response six years on. But those were people who had a very strong in itial antibody response. This phenomenon is nothing new, and the observatio n merely confirmed what researchers have suspected all along based on their experience with other viruses. Most viruses induce what's called an acute viral syndrome phase, and just exactly how well the victim emerges from tha t phase in terms of antibody titers and viremia, and possibly more arcane m arkers, gives clinicians very consistent means of prognosis for many outcom es of the disease, including long term immunity. And, no, you're not gettin g any f_cking links or further explanation. Communicating with you is like talking to a dumb animal with mental problems.

You do find it frustrating to be asked to justify your rabid ramblings but posting fatuous abuse doesn't make you sound any more credible. Citing data from SARs results to support what you imagine is going to happen with Covi d-19 isn't any more helpful.

rates of infection and serious illness. The first dose can be a really weak response, something like 0.1% the antibody titre from a booster.

you in hospital - at least in the clinical trials.

one of the viral vector and inactivated virus vaccines are garbage.

In your ever-so-expert and totally unsupported opinion.

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You'd have to identify at least one of them before you could make that clai m.

"Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health ? who advis es both the Trump administration and the incoming Biden administration on t he federal COVID-19 response ? tells NPR there's no plan to abandon the two-shot regimen. "

This isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, but it isn't calling Biden moroni c either. Fauci is a research scientist in the field, though he won't have had time to do much research recently.

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think the reason he had to step down from the FDA was because he had to rec use himself from so much decision making due to financial entanglements, it became a farce to even have him in the job.

ctly speaking you shouldn't do it if you haven't got a D.Sc or a Ph.D.

cine, find a better form of words.

because it will actually mean more vaccine sales for Pfizer.

e for a least a year, and probably a lot longer, until the entire world has been vaccinated. Since Covid-19 does mutate, vaccine-evasive strains will probably appear soon enough to let them keep on selling a new version of th e vaccine for quite while longer.

hat locks them in for the delayed non-booster too. And the prospect of re-v accinating the entire the entire world every two years is - mmmm-hmmmm- fin ger licking good. So everything works out in their favor.

Pfizer is the most effective one.

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support this hypothesis. Some of the survivors still maintain an effective immune response six years on. But those were people who had a very strong initial antibody response. This phenomenon is nothing new, and the observat ion merely confirmed what researchers have suspected all along based on the ir experience with other viruses. Most viruses induce what's called an acut e viral syndrome phase, and just exactly how well the victim emerges from t hat phase in terms of antibody titers and viremia, and possibly more arcane markers, gives clinicians very consistent means of prognosis for many outc omes of the disease, including long term immunity. And, no, you're not gett ing any f_cking links or further explanation. Communicating with you is lik e talking to a dumb animal with mental problems.

t posting fatuous abuse doesn't make you sound any more credible. Citing da ta from SARs results to support what you imagine is going to happen with Co vid-19 isn't any more helpful.

Data on long term effects from the first SARS is all they have right now. It is considered significant because of the similar genome. The data from t he weak little common cold corona viruses is worthless.

I don't give a damn how persuasive or credible I sound. I'm not here to con vince people of anything.

h rates of infection and serious illness. The first dose can be a really we ak response, something like 0.1% the antibody titre from a booster.

ts you in hospital - at least in the clinical trials.

le one of the viral vector and inactivated virus vaccines are garbage.

That's exactly what's happening. You have time and again exhibited complete idiocy in interpreting published information, and like most morons you cou ldn't make an inference if your life depended on it, and you can't tie in w hat should be knowledge gained from other sources in your interpretation of most recent events. Australia really should consider pulling your right to vote, it could only mean eventual doom for that God-forsaken place.

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ises both the Trump administration and the incoming Biden administration on the federal COVID-19 response ? tells NPR there's no plan to aband on the two-shot regimen. "

He's been an executive administrator for the past 39 years, not a researche r.

nic either. Fauci is a research scientist in the field, though he won't hav e had time to do much research recently.

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I think the reason he had to step down from the FDA was because he had to r ecuse himself from so much decision making due to financial entanglements, it became a farce to even have him in the job.

rictly speaking you shouldn't do it if you haven't got a D.Sc or a Ph.D.

dicine, find a better form of words.

e because it will actually mean more vaccine sales for Pfizer.

uce for a least a year, and probably a lot longer, until the entire world h as been vaccinated. Since Covid-19 does mutate, vaccine-evasive strains wil l probably appear soon enough to let them keep on selling a new version of the vaccine for quite while longer.

That locks them in for the delayed non-booster too. And the prospect of re

-vaccinating the entire the entire world every two years is - mmmm-hmmmm- f inger licking good. So everything works out in their favor.

So far, on the evidence of phase 3 trials. There are lots of other vaccine s around, and we'll have a much more precise idea of how well each one work s after they have been used on a couple of million patients.

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to support this hypothesis. Some of the survivors still maintain an effecti ve immune response six years on. But those were people who had a very stron g initial antibody response. This phenomenon is nothing new, and the observ ation merely confirmed what researchers have suspected all along based on t heir experience with other viruses. Most viruses induce what's called an ac ute viral syndrome phase, and just exactly how well the victim emerges from that phase in terms of antibody titers and viremia, and possibly more arca ne markers, gives clinicians very consistent means of prognosis for many ou tcomes of the disease, including long term immunity. And, no, you're not ge tting any f_cking links or further explanation. Communicating with you is l ike talking to a dumb animal with mental problems.

but posting fatuous abuse doesn't make you sound any more credible. Citing data from SARs results to support what you imagine is going to happen with Covid-19 isn't any more helpful.

That doesn't make it all that relevant.

the weak little common cold corona viruses is worthless.

Which has an essentially similar genome. It came to us from rodents rather than bats, and the most recent common ancestor dates from quite a bit furt her back, but it's still closely related.

onvince people of anything.

Just as well.

igh rates of infection and serious illness. The first dose can be a really weak response, something like 0.1% the antibody titre from a booster.

puts you in hospital - at least in the clinical trials.

ngle one of the viral vector and inactivated virus vaccines are garbage.

te idiocy in interpreting published information, and like most morons you c ouldn't make an inference if your life depended on it, and you can't tie in what should be knowledge gained from other sources in your interpretation of most recent events. Australia really should consider pulling your right to vote, it could only mean eventual doom for that God-forsaken place.

By which you mean that I don't accept the fatuous nonsense you post, and re sent my scepticism.

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dvises both the Trump administration and the incoming Biden administration on the federal COVID-19 response ? tells NPR there's no plan to aba ndon the two-shot regimen. "

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You can be both - if you are any good as a researcher you'll get dragged in to administration purely because you can understand what's going a whole lo t better than outsiders. If you are any good you'll maintain some involveme nt with current research so you can keep on understanding what's going on.

"From 1983 to 2002, Fauci was one of the world's most frequently-cited scie ntists across all scientific journals."

ronic either. Fauci is a research scientist in the field, though he won't h ave had time to do much research recently.

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