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I was running the DOS version of ProComm under OS/2. There was some, admittedly obscure, setting that had to be changed in the program profile to permit direct hardware access. Once that was done it worked fine. In fact, doing some comm software testing, I ran ProComm in it's host mode to out one comm port to a modem, and my test software through another comm port to another modem and dialed up my own machine. I used my OS/2 system mostly as a development platform for DOS programs and a few Windows apps as well.

Mostly legacy machine control or financial applications these days.

Perhaps. I didn't play a lot of games.

Your experience was rather radically different than mine and, apparently, others.

Modems, printers, scanners, machine tools, that sort of thing.

The few games I used ran fine, with a couple of exceptions. But I did hear this particular complaint quite a bit at the time.

- Bill

Bill Leary wrote

that so many wanted to continue to use

permit direct hardware access. Once that

But it didnt run better than it did on Win or DOS.

machine. I used my OS/2 system mostly as a

But it didnt run better than it did on Win or DOS.

Nope, quite a few apps used to program hardware.

But the market did. Thats what matters as far as it flying was concerned.

did, and a few much better than Windows

I didnt even say what my experience was and you just ignored the point I made that they didnt run better under OS/2 than under DOS or Win.

Not one of whom used OS/2 for programming devices etc.

was only to run a couple of games that

Nothing obscure about any of those.

this particular complaint quite a bit at

And it was what killed OS/2's prospects stone dead in the market.

I thought I recognized your "style." I should have looked you up earlier. I probably wouldn't have bothered to respond at all.

Yes, it did.

Yes, it did.

As did my editors, compilers, linkers, and so on. The only thing that didn't work well was the debugger. But even at that it was better than Windows, because the debugger wouldn't work at all under Windows.

That was a lot of the point of using OS/2 rather than Windows. Bit the really big point was that if a program being tested went weird, and they often did, under Windows more often than not I had to hit RESET to recover. Under OS/2 I just closed the window with the errant program and moved on.

As for the rest of your comments, ...

I, and others, have commented from personal experience. I'll listen to people who have "been there and done that" but there's no point at all in a discussion with someone who doesn't have, or won't share, their own experiences.

Game over.

- Bill

probably wouldn't have bothered to

You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

admittedly obscure, setting that had to be

was done it worked fine.

Pigs arse it did.

Pigs arse it did.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you are lying.

was better than Windows, because the

big point was that if a program being

to hit RESET to recover.

Thats a lie too.

Another lie, particularly when debugging a new driver.

So did I.

at all in a discussion with someone who

Nope, everyone with a clue can see that your lies and pathetic excuse for bullshit stands out like dogs balls.

If the sun shone out of OS/2's arse, how come you arent running it now ?

Hey, if you didn't like the warranty (which amounted to "This diskette is guaranteed to be a diskette; oh, and by the way you can't sue us for anything else no matter what happens") you didn't have to play. Still don't.

But, that said, I completely agree with you. We could have had our flying cars and vacation homes on the Moon by now without all that lost productivity.

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We have a winner. Congratulations Bill.

terryc wrote

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

No surprise that you're completely unemployable.

Child, if you remove the chips on your shoulders, you might learn something from those who do know better.

/BAH

And that was the problem. Apps should be asking the monitor to do the hardware tweaks, not doiing it themselves. That's the source of most of the bugs and non-features in MS' software.

/BAH

Sure. And thank you. But it's a victory not unlike winning a quick draw duel with a comatose garden slug. Looks like Barb's come in for round two. This should be entertaining. And perhaps even informative, if you just read her replies and ignore his.

- Bill

jmfbahciv wrote

I'm older than you, f****it.

Any two year old could leave that for dead.

Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

jmfbahciv wrote

Yes, but with that sort of app, if they dont do it that way, there is f*ck all you can do about that.

You dont normally even have a choice of app to do the programming of unusual hardware.

Yes, but when you need to run that software, the last thing you need is an OS that wont let it run.

Thats why OS/2 never did get used much by those that need to do that sort of thing.

Quite a bit of it would only run on DOS.

In the punch-card era you always had something in your shirt pocket to write on. Apart from that, the whole concept was an abomination.

Bill Leary wrote just the peurile silly s*it any 2 year old could leave for dead.

T.T. wrote

on.

I still use the cards to write on even now.

Cut in half, they go in the wallet fine, now that T shirts dont have shirt pockets.

Specially when you dropped an entire box of cards which didnt have any numbering.

I used to run an IBM 360/50 in the evenings myself.

The printer automatically opened up when it ran out of paper.

One night, someone had a box of cards on the top of the printer.

You could hear the printer cover automatically opening up when it ran out of paper.

The poor bugger ran to the printer when he heard the cover opening.

Didnt get there in time. The box of cards had months of data on those cards.

Childhood is determined by more than the calendar. -- Joe

:-) Those cards were my nerd badge, which I wore proudly.

On the other hand, it was there and it worked - which put it miles ahead of anything which sounded nice but which either didn't exist yet or was prohibitively expensive.

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Look on the bright side. The data was still there. (Heck, it was now everywhere.) A bit of work with the card sorter and everything was back together again, with nothing lost but time. (If the cards didn't contain fields on which you could do whatever sorting was necessary, it was time for a talk with whoever designed the layout.)

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Joe Thompson wrote

More puerile s*it.

Charlie Gibbs wrote

paper.

Nope, there was nothing to sort on.

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?

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