OT GW

Dec 04, 2011 217 Replies

Well, frankly, as far as some experts go, listening to Alan Jones can not be any worse. Many "medicial specialists" are just crowd followers and faddist, even within their own field.

You have to educate yourself and decide what is working and what isn't.

Bullshit. for many items, there was absoltely no effect as GST just replaced the impact of sales tax.

You voted, so you consented. Seriously, when did they ammend the constitution so you had any say. This is australia mate, not the USofA.

Dang, I get bills for those. Are you just not reading the fine print?

Was that all Carbon Tax, or did it include any infrastructure costs?

I would be a lot happier if that wasn't almost all they had been looking for in a lot of research in he last few decades.

Makes them as credible as looking for secret writing in the bible, war and peace, etc, etc, etc

**I've been using the same GP for more than 25 years. He has saved my life a couple of times and has never steered me wrong in the area of medical issues.

Like I said: I'll trust my GP. You can trust your local grocer if you think that makes sense.

-- Trevor Wilson

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Naah mate, we voted for it. Tony is just ranting because he wasn't capable of making it happen. How many days has he had now to win a no-confidence motion?

It was? IT WAS RIGGED. I didn't get asked.

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If the ABC bought and paid for news and current affairs programs say there is man made global warming, because its being told by a bimbo news announcer with no qualifications, that means I should ignore it too ! Thanks for clarifying that Twever.

Naah, whomever is wise and in government still sees value in giving to independents. better to have the electors vote for the indepedent, tan the opposition.

**Like I said: Ignore the opinions. Listen to the science. Learn the difference, BEFORE you enter discussions with adults.

-- Trevor Wilson

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Blink!. It hasn't cost me anything atm and I did get some nice, but basic paid work out of it.

Isn't that a logical fallacy? We extract a massive amount of the carbon sunk into the earth over a million(?) years and release it back into the atmosphere in just over

100 years. You do have to wonder if we haven't had some effect.

It wouldnt have happened unless it generated more tax

I did not vote for it and did not consent.

No. You should check what "logical fallacy" means.

Most of the CO2 sequestred over the billions of years is in carbonate rocks and sediments; not fossil fuels. That process of sequestration continues today.

/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | For every complex problem there is an X against HTML mail | answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. / \ and postings | --HL Mencken

The fallacy is, btw that you assume that CO2 is a primary driver of climate. Data indicates that it hasn't been for a long time.

e.g.

A shared frequency set between the historical mid-latitude aurora records and the global surface temperature

Nicola Scafetta

Abstract

Herein we show that the historical records of mid-latitude auroras from 1700 to 1966 present oscillations with periods of about 9, 10-11, 20-21, 30 and 60 years. The same frequencies are found in proxy and instrumental global surface temperature records since 1650 and 1850, respectively, and in several planetary and solar records. We argue that the aurora records reveal a physical link between climate change and astronomical oscillations. Likely in addition to a Soli-Lunar tidal effect, there exists a planetary modulation of the heliosphere, of the cosmic ray flux reaching the Earth and/or of the electric properties of the ionosphere. The latter, in turn, has the potentiality of modulating the global cloud cover that ultimately drives the climate oscillations through albedo oscillations. In particular, a quasi-60-year large cycle is quite evident since 1650 in all climate and astronomical records herein studied, which also include a historical record of meteorite fall in China from 619 to 1943. These findings support the thesis that climate oscillations have an astronomical origin. We show that a harmonic constituent model based on the major astronomical frequencies revealed in the aurora records and deduced from the natural gravitational oscillations of the solar system is able to forecast with a reasonable accuracy the decadal and multidecadal temperature oscillations from 1950 to 2010 using the temperature data before 1950, and vice versa. The existence of a natural 60-year cyclical modulation of the global surface temperature induced by astronomical mechanisms, by alone, would imply that at least 60-70% of the warming observed since 1970 has been naturally induced. Moreover, the climate may stay approximately stable during the next decades because the 60-year cycle has entered in its cooling phase.

/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | For every complex problem there is an X against HTML mail | answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. / \ and postings | --HL Mencken

Yep, it was often preceeded by no longer being flavour of the month, then teir "jewish"* connection would be brough up and here is a free train ride to new horizons.

*it was one area where jewish ancestry/connections mattered little.

Um, excuse me....

The "evidence", such as it is, has led some to put forward a theory that is in no way conclusive.

Regards, Noddy.

Even if that was *remotely* true, I'd much rather that than the situation as it currently is.

Regards, Noddy.

I wouldn't vote for the Labor party again if you threatened to give me a barbed wire enema and then attempted to stop the bleeding with pepper.

The cost isn't the issue for me. It's the effect, or complete lack of it.

Regards, Noddy.

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