Courtesy Call from my Healthcare Ins. Co.

None of this is of any concern to Dear MisLeader. If you're too simple to understand the advantages, that's no fault of his. Or Michelle's. It's probably due to some hateful internet video they had nothing to do with. Or George W. Bush.

Oh foolish simpleton, what if you got pregnant? You'd have no coverage and the rest of us would have to pay the cost. It's a lot cheaper for us all to subsidize the extra $600+/month for your cost-saving Obama plan than to run the risk of you getting preggers and free-riding on the public dime.

Such faulty reasoning is a perfect example of why you're qualified to vote for a President to run your life, but not to be trusted with running it yourself. Peasants--sigh.

"Subsidizing everyone avoids the cost of free-riders." Until you master this double-think, Obamacare's going to look like a bowlful of worms instead of the health-promoting breakfast cereal it actually is.

Cheers, James Arthur

(P.S. You can always go full-on moocher and free-ride--it's what they want you to do anyhow. See "Obamacare makes cost-shifting fun!"

Until you get this...

...Jim Thompson

That's awesome.

Doesn't it make you want to leap to your feet and sing "Hosannah!" to wise DML for giving us this precious perfect gift?

Cheers! James Arthur

...except that the "takers" don't pay income tax, rather the opposite.

And they'll take it out of your IRS refund or directly from your bank account if you have no refund coming. ...Jim Thompson

We would have been better off with the uninsured continuing to get medical treatment at the ER, rather than "covered" by "insurance". ...Jim Thompson

"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

They absolutely do just take it out of your bank account. With no notice at all. SS can do the same. You find out when you do the overdraft.

I know very well. If you clash with the IRS (I have), they seize your money first, then "discuss". I got my money back, but it was one royal nightmare... successful only after I hired an ex_IRS agent turned CPA. ...Jim Thompson

So would they.

Yep. Dear ML's talking point that putting people on Medicaid would eliminate free-riding (and ER use) was always nonsense.

(Obamacare forces lots of people onto Medicaid, even people with private insurance. All, says DML, to save us from "free-riders." But, Medicaid *is* free-riding, and people on Medicaid use the ER *more*, not less.)

Cheers, James Arthur

It bites them even harder--it comes out of their "gimmes."

Even if they tap you for the penalty, you're many thousands ahead over buying Obamacare, the world's most expensive insurance.

Cheers, James Arthur

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Apparently there is a mental midget here who missed the part about:

"They are part of a large group of Americans who listed incomes on their in surance applications that differ significantly -- either too low or too hig h -- from those on file with the Internal Revenue Service, documents show."

So once again you have the situation of a bunch of crooked Americans lying about their income to scam O'Care out of more subsidy than they have due, a nd you useless mental midgets think it's such a bad thing when the IRS atta ches their bank accounts ?!? I say hang them. Let the riffraff take his fam ily and go live in the local shelter for the 6 months to a year it takes to work the problem out.

That's because you ignored their numerous notices and acted like a child, ignored them, hoping they would go away, instead of dealing with the audit like a responsible adult.

Said nothing. Just talking out of his ass again. How's the view up there bloggs?

The problem with health care is that it really does pay to look after the f ree-riders.

They get infectious diseases just like everybody else, and it's a lot cheap er to get them into the health care system - and an isolation ward - before they infect too many other people.

The US experience with drug-resistant TB educated a lot of people about thi s, but not James Arthur. His ideological blinkers blind him to situations w here it actually makes good economic sense to love thy neighbour, even if h e - or she - is an irresponsible idiot.

The minimum penalty ($95). Cheap and they'll just raise the gimme.

Ever been to the ER? You've got to be pretty sick to be prepared to put up with it.

Getting to ER is already a bigger barrier to people suffering from infectio us diseases that is ideal, and having them hang around for hours with other sick people doesn't get them into isolation as fast as they'd get there if they felt "entitled" and asked for help.

So it isn't doing the right job.

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The cost of health care is what you pay to avoid epidemics. The logic is ex actly the same as defense. You spend a lot all the time on the basis hat if you spend enough you won't have deal with the really dangerous situation - a plague or an invasion - that the service is there prevent as well as co pe with.

Health care is expensive, though not as expensive as defense. The Black Dea th killed about 30% - some estimates are higher - of the population of Euro pe when it first hit. Even a nuclear war would be hard placed to do as well .

We get incipient plagues from time to time - SARS was probably the last one - but we've been lucky so far. International travel being as popular as it is, our luck is likely to run out sooner rather than later.

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aper to get them into the health care system - and an isolation ward - befo re they infect too many other people.

his, but not James Arthur. His ideological blinkers blind him to situations where it actually makes good economic sense to love thy neighbour, even if he - or she - is an irresponsible idiot.

Thanks for opining sans info, plus your requisite slur. It's always great to have a professional free-rider weigh in.

Since you hadn't noticed, we already care for the uninsured. That's the definition of free-riding. Dear MisLeader's mantra was that insuring them saves money, which was false.

Spending 5x as much to cover the same uninsured, plus enslaving the rest of the population to a less compassionate, more-expensive system that's incredibly intrusive into everyone's personal lives is of course no issue whatever for totalitarian mindsets. That's just more water under someone else's bridge--they didn't build that.

Cheers, James Arthur

insurance applications that differ significantly -- either too low or too h igh -- from those on file with the Internal Revenue Service, documents show ."

g about their income to scam O'Care out of more subsidy than they have due, and you useless mental midgets think it's such a bad thing when the IRS at taches their bank accounts ?!? I say hang them.

And the IRS is *never* wrong, is it?

Throw people on the street for not being able to predict their income, employment, benefits, and household size to the IRS' satisfaction a year in advance--that sure sounds a lot more compassionate than what we had.

Yes We Can!

Cheers, James Arthur