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We have an immediate opening for a firmware/embedded software engineer.

Experience with small micros and controllers, especially PIC & HITECH
Software tools desired.

This is a full time position, but a short term contract is also possible for
someone with strong PIC & C experience to meet immediate need.  Sorry, but
you need to be local.  We won't move anyone.

See web site www.exotech.com.

Email resume only to snipped-for-privacy@exotech.com.  No calls, absolutely NO agencies!





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So why don't you say where you are???

Ian


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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:39:29 +0000, Ian Bell

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He does.  

Regards,

                               -=Dave
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DOh!!!

I must learn to read topic
I must learn to read topic
I must....

Ian



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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:52:24 +0000, Ian Bell

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<G> Actually, the OP should learn to make his messages understandable
without going back up to read the subject line.

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Agreed.  But the OP did many things right: tagged the post as a job
listing, including type and location.  The job title should have been
added and the subject information repeated in the message body.

Regards,

                               -=Dave
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Who is buried in Grant's tomb?




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Who is on first.



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He didn't.  First off, it should have been in the text of the message as
well as the subject - that's common usenet practice.

And secondly, this is an international newsgroup.  "near Boulder, CO" is not
a suitable way to write an address.  Admittedly they specify that they are
looking for local people, but my guess is that there are people who would be
happy to move across the USA, or even *to* the USA, for a good enough job -
even if the movement was at their own expense.

Is it in fact legal in the USA to specify something like "you need to be
local" ?  Except in cases where local knowledge is essential to the job, I'd
have thought that was akin to "you need to be under 30", or "you need to be
a white male protestant republican sports-hero etc."




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I don't believe it is illegal to discriminate on that basis, I could be
wrong.  You cannot discriminate based on race, religion, age, gender,
physical handicaps.  In some places you can add sexual orientation to the
list, I think Boulder is one such place.  Did I miss any?

You can discriminate based on whether or not a person is a sports hero
too.

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Richard

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It's not racial or sexual discrimination. I very much doubt that it's
illegal. If it *is* illegal, then the law is commonly flouted.

It is *certainly* not illegal to say "We will not pay to relocate
anyone, and we will not wait for you to obtain permission to work in
the USA, nor will we assist with legal expenses related to same".

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On 12 Nov 2003 09:45:14 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@larwe.com (Lewin A.R.W. Edwards)

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And, in fact, I suspect the OP doesn't care, if there's a guarantee
that the employee will be local *after* hiring.

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I'd

I would have thought you could not discriminate for any reason that was not
related to the person's ability to the job.  Maybe the rules typical in
Europe are different from those in the USA, and maybe it's just my naive
ideas of what the rules *should* be.  I've never been on either side of such
job adverts, so I don't really know - I'm just curious.

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That seems perfectly reasonable.  Is it so common for companies to offer to
pay relocation costs that it makes sense to mention it in a job advert?




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I am just about 100% certain it is not illegal here in the US.  There are
things you cannot discriminate based on, but those would be race, gender,
age, religion, handicaps, and in some places, sexual orientation.

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Depends on the industry, it is not uncommmon at all in the software
industry to pay for relocation.

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Bah, forgot to change that sig for this newsgroup.

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The phrase "ability to do the job" is nebulous, though. You might
define "the job" as requiring the candidate to be on call, and live
within 20 minutes' drive of the target facility.

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Every job I've ever had, with the exception of a part-time job while I
was a student, has offered relocation. My current employer paid to
relocate me twice, in fact.

Nowadays, though, many advertisements specifically say "no relo". But
when you think about it, a few thousand dollars' relocation is nothing
compared to, say, recruiter fees (which, for an engineer, might easily
be $10,000 over the course of 12 months).

Re: JOB - F/T or contract, near Boulder, CO
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:39:29 +0000, the renowned Ian Bell

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It's in the US. Boulder, Colorado to be specific. A small city not too
far from Denver.  

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Ceci n'est pas un courriel.

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Pourquoi pas?

Ian


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You guys are having too much fun...  But to clarify, we are a consulting
company in Lafayette, Colorado, USA.

Not wanting to eliminate people (probably non-native Coloradans like myself)
I used "near Boulder".  As Spehro noted, Boulder's a small city.  But nearly
everyone in the US has heard of Boulder.  I've met Colorado natives that
don't know where Lafayette is (pop. 27000 or so).

We do primarily embedded software work here.  We also do about anything else
that needs to be done, although we subcontract most of it.  (VB as an
example. Don't know it, don't want to, but we've got some excellent VB
people who work for us.)

We also do a ton of MicroC/OS-II porting in support of our sister company
Validated Software Corp., colocated in the same offices.  Validated does
software testing and Validation Suites (tm) for safey critical systems
(medical products, avionics, nuclear, etc.)

As to the discriminating by location comment, in reality anyone who sends a
resume with good enough qualifications, can get offered an on site interview
(travel and relocation at their own expense).  Despite my comment about
local, I have received resumes from Indian, Taiwan, Pakistan, Bulgaria,
Russia, etc.  Of course I also received resumes from people who program in
fortran, java, etc. as well as former, managers, VPs, etc.

In summary (rant coming to close), I have watched this newsgroup quite
carefully, especially the LA job post and responses from a few weeks ago.
In spite of any negative comments, I decided to attempt to solve my problem
(need for another engineer), and help the local job market by attempting to
fish where the fish hang out.  I could have dumped a $1000 in the local
papers and run an ad, but the people I'm looking for better be looking here
(and the other ng I posted) anyway.

No doubt about it, I'm very fortunate.  I have more work than we can
currently do with our existing team.  My best wishes to all you who aren't
so fortunate. Let's hope and pray for a better year in 2004.

Scott Nowell
ExoTech R&D, Inc. | Validated Software Corporation
Lafayette, Colorado, USA



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