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Basically, the likes of Eeyore wants to beat the living crap out of anyone that has oil or any other fossil or yellowcake energy, and then taking it all back home as though it's ours to badly burn off in any stupid way we see fit. Therefore, we have no apparent shortage of fossil fuel as long as our bullets, bombs and other measures of global domination are better than others have.

The likes of Eeyore tells you one thing without actually contributing to any given solution, then goes about summarily trashing most any other better idea, only because it's simply too clean and efficient. It's exactly what silly Yids of physics and science fuckology like Eeyore do best.

- Brad Guth -

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For the makings of viable energy fluids and solid energy products, such as LH2, LOx, h2o2, aluminum and magnesium, we need loads of spare/ surplus energy, that's as clean and renewable as possible.

Here's my latest revised rant about the absolute wealth of renewable energy that's just about everywhere, so much so that even braille physics and the most dumbfounded naysayism of science couldn't possibly ignore unless directly involved in their grand fossil and yellowcake ruse/sting of the century, or intent upon profiting from those highly subsidised biofuel alternatives that are not simply the commercial holy grail that's ever going to save us or our environment.

How about we take an extra .001% bite of 350,000 TW.h

The total worth of raw solar photon energy influx potential that's continually impacting upon half of Earth at any one time, and that of interacting within our sooty/polluted atmosphere is worth 3.5e17 w.h or 350,000 TW.h, and by most any standard of measure it's of rather clean energy, other than populated with loads of nasty UV b/c, X-rays and even for having a few of its own halo CME gamma rays (less than a

0.1% portion of what gamma our naked/anticathode moon contributes) that are not exactly human DNA friendly.

Not including anything of solar or moon tidal related energy that transfers directly into becoming thermal dynamic issues for our 98.5% fluid mother Earth, but just of what our sun's photosphere alone, excluding anything of our moon's secondary/recoil IR, we've got roughly an all-inclusive half terrestrial sphere worth of total photon influx of 350,000 TW, of which perhaps as much as 20% of that manages to impact and/or interact with our surface and oceans, another 45% interacts within our atmosphere and roughly 35% gets directly reflected by the albedo of Earth's polluted environment.

Down to Earth energy that's reasonably accessable: Here's my none-WorldFactBook revised terrestrial energy budget from the more than 64,000 TW worth of our direct global solar photon influx budget that's getting through to the mostly wet surface, of which the following analogy seem to fit, even if we only manage to obtain 0.1% =

28 TW:

16,000 TW / currents, winds, ocean tides, rivers (a conservative estimate of clean energy that could just as easily become worth 32,000 TW)

8,000 TW / photosynthesis potential (total PV @12.5% eff, not including Stirling options, which without much effort could become worthy of 16,000 TW)

4,000 TW / potential of sustained geothermal energy draw w/o foreseeable planet harm could easily be pushed to extracting 8,000 TW.

The other 16,000 ~ 32,000 TW of solar energy as being somewhere MIA(missing in action) or simply not technically all that accessible.

- the all-inclusive human demand that's adding our global dimming soot and AGW insult to injury -

24+ TW / humans + our industry (extracted from fossil, renewables and nuclear)

100 TW / human+industry 2100AD (extracted from fossil, renewables and nuclear)

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On behalf of off-world resources of clean and renewable energy, there's actually a great deal of nearby space-based energy that's clearly in addition to whatever those Willie Moo SBLs that are each solar pumped for all they are worth.

In addition there's always that warm and fuzzy dosage of secondary IR moonshine, as well as an ongoing force of orbital gravity that's always existing as part of our Earth/moon and solar orbital interactive process, whereas if such a given force from just that of our moon were converted into surface joules of energy being 2e20 Joules, and then into watt.h energy = 7.2e23 w.h (7.2e11 TW.h)

If merely 0.0001% (a millionth) of that orbital gravity/tidal energy were getting converted into those matters of having been contributing into our atmospheric, surface, oceans and of those toasty internal fluids as having caused and/or sustained friction induced heating =

7,200 TW.h, or roughly speaking 2% of the gross solar energy influx.

Being that our moon's tidal influence is roughly twice that of our solar tidal considerations, this mean that another 3,600 TW of tidal energy is likely derived from our sun, for a grand tidal energy influx of 10,800 TW, or roughly 3.08% of the gross solar photon influx. Again going a touch conservative at 10,500 TW = 3% of the gross solar influx, about the same worth as could be easily blocked by simply relocating our moon out to Earth's L1, thus bringing our planet into a much better thermal balance with shade to burn (sort of speak).

In other words, if it were not for the energy contributed by way of our physically dark and somewhat salty old moon that's so unusually massive, nearby and moving right along, Earth's environment would once again become extensively iced over because, our sun alone is simply not as bright and toasty enough for sharing sufficient energy all by itself, especially if mother Earth's surface were to become any more reflective, as it had to have been a whole lot more reflective within those multiple ice-ages of so many past times that were simply of much worse off frosty cycles before Earth ever obtained that moon and our seasonal tilt.

According to others in their planetology field of expertise, Earth is continually losing roughly 40 TW.h away from our geothermal core, and otherwise humans have been converting fossil, bio/renewable and yellowcake derived nuclear energy into contributing roughly 24 TW.h, that's obviously directly contributing to our AGW before such energy eventually leaves Earth's nighttime side, for a grand energy exit budget tally of 64 TW.h and growing because of what we humans are doing. Of course, along with loads more atmospheric suspended h2o and subsequently hosting greater nighttime cloud coverage is exactly why less of that energy budget is leaving Earth before the next sunrise picks up from whatever our last sunset had to get rid of. In other words, it's a never ending cycle that's taking us in the wrong direction.

Life within a sealed biosphere such as Earth, whereas only the heavy kinds of bad stuff remains within our environment for us frail humans and all other more important life to deal with, whereas the squeaky clean energy that wouldn't hurt a fly just keeps radiating and/or passing in and away. Therefore, we humans are in fact heating up our surface environment, but having more so been contributing our energy byproducts of our soot along with those pesky toxic elements of CO2 and NOx like there's no tomorrow. Of what we badly need is lots more energy that's squeaky clean and the most end-user efficient usage without imposing the all-inclusive end result that's currently generating soot plus those invisible but toxic byproducts of CO2 and NOx, of which this task has been doable if extracting the bulk of that new and improved energy from the sun and our moon, as much as possible avoiding those various other fossil or biofuel alternatives (including the burning of hydrogen as H2) that depend upon their having to consume such horrific volumes of our mostly N2 and sooty water saturated atmosphere.

To argue against this logic is to show your true blue colors of denial and naysayism, as for being in favor of greed, arrogance and insurmountable bigotry that's of more faith-based ideology than not. Whereas to contribute on behalf of constructively resolving such issues in the most affordable manner is being humanly intelligent and reasonably deductive, along with having good awareness and remorse for those unfortunate mistakes made in the past, and otherwise for keeping an honest focus towards taking that new and improved grip upon the best of our talents and resources as driven or motivated in the proper direction, instead of our being continually faith-based sequestered back into them dark ages where only the rich get richer and the poor that can't possibly get any poorer simply get dead (and apparently especially dead if you're a Muslim sitting on an oily rock).

Excluding all of those extremely interesting but unavoidably spendy off-world energy alternatives that are never quite as good for the all- inclusive bottom line as hyped by their promoters, we have upon or within Earth more than what's necessary in order to safely manage our clean energy future well past the 2100AD mark, that is if we can manage to avoid WWIII, WWIV and WWV in order to end all such silly wars because we've used up every last available drop, m3 and/or tonne of fossil and yellowcake reserves in our faith-based process of exterminating one another.

If we are to effectively go off-world for supplementing our future energy demands, as such it'll have to be accomplished in a very big way, and eventually it'll most likely have to include the highly beneficial aspects of obtaining a little badly needed solar shade and moderating the gravity tidal energy influx by the relocation of our moon's orbit, as for being resent all the way out to the halo station- keeping realm of Earth's L1, and that's in addition to whatever nifty William Mook GSO SBLs, as there will also have to be China's fully tethered LSE-CM/ISS along with it's tethered dipole element that'll reach such monster SBLs if need be to within 2r of Earth, as also offering the one and only proper access to/from our moon that'll become the only humanly safe and affordably doable alternative, and that's not even to mention their absolutely terrific tethered space based CM/ISS habitat of that depot/gateway potential, that's afforded by having such a nearby worthy do-everything best zero gravity outpost, as made so affordably and accessibly at our disposal.

Too bad this sorry and/or pathetic Usenet and most every other internet forum of physics and science is so badly skewed into the nearest status quo toilet, of their being forever stuck in such profound naysayism denial of their denial, and without so much as a speck of remorse at that. Apparently it doesn't get any better, no matters what the physics or best available science truth has to offer.

- Brad Guth -

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Too bad mother Earth doesn't care about subsidies, tree-huggers tend to forget that.

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In sci.physics, BradGuth

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It might very well do so, at that. Of course, depending on the circumstances one might get a rocket or a bang, neither of which is very desirable from a controllability standpoint...and you've yet to answer the question regarding where one gets the hydrogen peroxide from, precisely.

Besides, the general idea is *not* to use fossil fuels whatsoever, if I understood you correctly. H2O2, presumably, would simply replace them, distributed in gas stations much like gasoline is today.

(Yeah, right.)

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The Ghost In The Machine

h2o2 is rather easily derived from those teraWatts of spare/surplus and squeaky clean energy, just like you've been told a million times before.

As in this case, you never undstand me correctly. (but that's entirely intentional of yourself, isn't it)

Along with whatever fossil and/or biofuel, exactly like I've clearly stipulated a million times before.

- Brad Guth -

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Well, it has been nearly 50 years since I took Chem, but as I recall two hydrogens is four atoms of hydrogen, since H2 is the way hydrogen exists. Helium on the other hand exists as a monatomic atom.

I could be wrong, but I'm not going to go look it up.

Jim

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