Re: The Electric Car

In sci.physics, BradGuth

> > wrote > on Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:19:59 -0700 > : >> >>> >>> Where? Oh, you must be seeing things again. In any event, anyone >>> who knows chemistry can figure out the above fact. I'm still curious >>> as to how you get 40 kW/m^3 from variants of solar energy. >> >> A 100~125 meter tall tower will take up roughly 100 m2 worth of >> surface footprint at it's base, that which can't easily be utilized >> for all that much other than a fluid storage tank or perhaps on behalf >> whatever fluid processing that could rather easily be contained within >> the somewhat less than 100 m2 interior. However, on top of this >> sucker is a good 3.5~4.5 MW wind turbine, and well enough below the >> blade sweep is a very large DVD like disk of those 25% efficient PV >> cells (we're talking better than twice that amount if using William >> Mook's multi-band and special lens enhanced PV cells) that'll track >> sunrise to sunset, as well enough elevated above the local terrain and >> whatever trees so that full solar benefit is easily maintained. > > The only problem is that those solar cells cast a shadow. Is there > anything nearby? Oh, another tower? Won't do that other tower > much good, will it? >

Or worse, modules around the one tower. The idea of one 8000 m2 PV disk tracking the daily sun is pretty daunting. But if you break it up into several smaller modules, say 100 of 80m2 each, then when the sun isn't directly overhead, the modules closest to the sun are casting shadows on the ones directly behind them. Space them out far enough that you can get full sun on all of them for about six hours a day and you just about double the distance between them. Any more than that and simple trigonometry expands the spacing needed very quickly.

Oops.

Yep, it's a pretty big 'oops'.

daestrom

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daestrom
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Presumably you locate a windmill where there's lots of wind, which will now and then blow away the solar arrays.

And at night, and on cloudy days, the power comes from... where?

John

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John Larkin

H202 powered generators powering light bulbs, shining on the solar arrays. Why, you have a problem with H2O2?

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krw

That's why you put the solar cells on the windmill blades :)

Robert

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Robert Adsett

Calculate the wind loading on them!

John

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John Larkin

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There's no such "oops", other than we see that you're still trying to create that new and improved black hole of denial and naysayism vortex again, arnt you.

Why don't we just plug everything that needs energy into your infomercial spewing butt of soot that runs on coal, h2o and extensively N2. Of course we should also come to think, that within much negative derived energy that's so sooty and badly CO2 and NOx polluted (not to mention responsible for those massive conversions of fresh water into acidic vapor by consuming nearly as much tonnage in fresh water in order to keep those soot and nasty NOx contributions down to a dull roar), might actually blow or otherwise suck out the entire grid.

You and others of your all-knowing kind that never have to constructively contribute or much less take into account the all- inclusive birth to grave energy cycle, must have entirely missed out on your final masters degree in physics duh-101, therefore independent thinking or that of a deductive thought isn't allowed, much less shared.

Our public utility energy grids that are in rather sad shape, as well as mostly pumped via coal is also representing our nations biggest consumer of fresh water, that when the likes of CO2 and NOx is contributed becomes acidic and otherwise directly toxic to most life as we know it, not to mention having puked a dozen other contributing negative factors as also having placed that much greater tonnage of fresh h2o as vapor directly into our global plus moon warmed environment that has more than it's fair share of atmospheric moisture to deal with as is, thereby dragging Earth's albedo down while having increased nature's storm sucker punch my yet another measurable factor. At the rate we're going, within the next century Greenland well actually start becoming noticeably green as viewed from space, as well as physically elevated because of all that teratonnage worth of ice removed.

To hear you folks spew those mainstream status quo or bust rants, we should not only stay the polluted course but greatly increase our fossil fuel consumptions at all possible cost and rates of converting such into as much soot and nasty environmental contributions as we can muster, and call it good even if yellowcake is our only secondary best alternative of traumatising whatever's left of our badly failing environment, that has gotten most of everything more spendy than we can afford to use or much less fix. Mean while, we have your born- again resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) that's taking us into WWIII. Gee whiz, does life in your fossil and yellowcake fast lane get any better?

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BradGuth

I like it; blades with PVs as engineered by Robert Adsett.

At least that's a constructive thought, of waste not, want not.

In addition to the potential of each tower hosting as much as that

8000 m2 disk array or plate of cells that's residing well enough below those 4 MW blades, tile most every surface with those PV cells, as well as the more blade mass the better as long as those ceramic bearings hold their load.

- Brad Guth -

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BradGuth

Cool. Arrange for them to spin at 60 Hz and avoid inverter losses!

But solar cells are so last century. The new new thing is sun-pumped lasers.

John

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John Larkin

Well obviously we gots to add som of those!

Robert

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