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Arfa, are you sure about that? I thought you were supposed to divide by the square root of 2, not multiply by it. Oddly, my friend says there is no smoothing cap in the circuit. I did not ask him whether he checked voltages again, but I will.

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Smitty Two
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Arfa is spot on ! 24v as near as makes no difference.

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Baron

Hi Smitty Peak DC out is root 2 (1.414) *times* the RMS AC in, so with a resevoir cap of sufficient size, and not too much loading and source impedance, that's about the level of DC that you would measure on a normal multimeter. You are thinking of calculating the AC RMS figure from the DC where you

*divide* the DC level by root 2 (or multiply by 0.707).

The fact that there is no resevoir cap, throws a bit of a spanner in the works when it comes to measuring the 'DC' out from the bridge because, whilst by strict definition it *is* DC, what you will actually have is a train of unipolar pulses, which the meter will make some attempt to integrate into a DC level that it can display. Obviously, this will be a misleading figure, and may even differ between an analogue, and a digital meter. The meter reading of "12" might well have been 'correct' in this case - if you see what I mean !

I wonder what additional circuitry this supply is powering ? It can't be anything 'electronic', as such a raggedy-arsed rail would play havoc ...

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

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:> > :> > Selenium stack bridge, by the looks of it. Equipment it's in ? :> > :> > Arfa :> :> Ancient European slide projector with rotary carousel. Trying to help a :> friend get the thing going again, via email since he lives in another :> city. :> :> Problem with it is that this motor: :> :>
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:> :> turns very slowly. :> : : :All right then, here's what happened with this. (Recall that the motor :is 240VAC and has a secondary winding to power some simple DC stuff :through the bridge) My friend disconnected the AC supply to the :rectifier, and presto, the motor returned to normal speed. : :Thinking something downstream could be drawing too much current, he :reconnected the rectifier supply wires and then disconnected the DC side :of the rectifier. Motor slowed down. So he replaced the rectifier, and :all is well. : :But I'm still puzzled, and since I was never on-site I didn't do any of :the tests myself. If the rectifier had some fault that was drawing too :much current and it pulled the voltage down, how could he have measured :240 on the slow-turning motor, and 17VAC / 12VDC on the rectifier?

Now that it is fixed measure at the same points again and see what voltages you get. That should give an indication as to whether the original readings were as they should have been.

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Ross Herbert

multimeter.

probably just for a solenoid for PTO activation off the motor , for slide carriage/carousel movement.

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N_Cook

Thanks Arfa, and others. School was over many years ago, and never having made the subject into an occupation, as I had planned, the theory quietly slipped away ...

Friend obliged my request for another reading, and now shows 28 VDC out of the unfiltered bridge, with his Fluke handheld meter. Would have saved us all a lot of bother if I'd recognized that 12 VDC as faulty right off, rather than thinking it was spot on.

N. Cook is correct, the DC only drives a relay to operate the carousel on command.

Smitty

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Smitty Two

Ah yes ... ! Hindsight is a wonderful thing ! Still, at least if it ever goes wrong again in any of our lifetimes, we'll have a better idea where to start looking ! You say about theory quietly slipping away. Sometimes I despair at the things I've forgotton - often from just 5 seconds ago - but then marvel at other 'useless' information and facts that seem to have stayed with me taking up space for ever. And even with all the stuff I've forgotten, and the very 'normal' upbringing and education I had, allbeit at a decent school, my three grown children think that I am a 'genius', just because I know something like the fact that New York is north of the equator ...

Makes you wonder just where we're headed over the next couple of generations, and whether the current world crisis is anything to do with the general standards of education and morals that our current and previous generations enjoy ... :-\\

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

A few years ago, on "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire," some fellow made it to the million dollar question. Now, once they get above 25,000, I'm hopelessly lost most of the time.

So I was absolutely shocked when they trotted out a factoid that I've known in my sleep since I was seven: the distance from the earth to the sun. "Doesn't every single person in the entire world know that?" I ask aloud incredulously. And now it's a *million dollar* (multiple-choice no less) question. Unbelievable.

We know what we know.

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Smitty Two

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