Why aren't computer clocks as accurate as cheap quartz watches?

Does anybody really care?

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I don't see the connection.

As I've said, I wasn't interested in compatibility stuff.

Why not?

"Based"? What does that mean?

Well, I _did_ check, and they _did_ write it from scratch. Of course they adopted ideas that had been used in other various operating systems, but every OS does that.

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Writing an OS in assembly language is not necessarily a bad decision. OS code quality is a function of the people you hire to write the code and the way you manage the project, not the programming language you choose. Assembly language has the advantage of being extremely tight and fast; but it's not very portable.

OS/2 died for reasons independent of being written in any particular language, as you explain elsewhere.

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Noooooo? Where? Run away!!!!!

Nice k0ok-out, replying to the same post twice with different ideas.

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Actually it was the other way around. As IBM black mailed into writing OS/2. And IBM's master plan was to get everyone off of MS-DOS and on to OS/2. Then IBM would have OS/2 changed to run on only true IBM PCs. Thus killing off the clone market and MS as well. This was all documented and shown on PBS.

______________________________________________ Bill (using a Toshiba 2595XDVD & Windows 2000)

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excuse me, if memory serves IBM had MS write the first OS which i think was for the 286 and thought that it would be alive for a long time. then when 386 hit they tried to get MS to rewrite it for them and thus ms quoted such a high price just to get them to go away thus leading the way for MS to where they are now. mean while IBM then took over the development to carry it on with their own programmers. that is the way i remember it.

Supposedly better in design, but OS/2 sucked in real life for many of us! As only one OS/2 Win session had sound while the others was soundless. And a good number of Windows applications would routinely crashed under OS/2, but stable as a rock under Windows 3.1. Then the OS/2 GUI was unstable for at least a couple of years and crashed the whole system. Then the FixPaks often caused more problems than they fixed. IBM programmers are morons!

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Hmm, D4 is an acronym for the once famous "Delphi 4", now since never versions exist they are in the order of D5,D6,D7 and now in the D2005 and soon D2006. maybe changing the name of the utility mite help.

You mean hardly useful! And IBM dropped support a few months before they were saying they would never drop OS/2 support. IBM has never done anything except lie to me over and over again.

I did a search through OS/2 files for the Microsoft copyright in Warp a few years ago. And Warp was littered everywhere with Microsoft's code throughout OS/2.

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Am I the only guy that was working with this crap back then? IBM contracted with M$ to write OS/2 for them in like 1987. M$ drug their feet on the release, while spending IBM's money, so that they could get Win 3.0 out before OS/2, by saying that OS/2 just wasn't stable enough for release yet. Yeah, no conflict of interest their. Finally IBM got fed up and took the project away from M$. There are very many suspicious similarities in "bugs" within the graphics system calls of Win 3.0 and OS/2.

Nobody I've seen yet thanked you for recommending this fine program. Well I for one am very grateful! Although I usually set my computers clocks about 5 to 10 times per year because they were off about a minute. But now this is one task I don't have to worry about anymore.

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IBM sounds a lot like Apple.

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Interesting interview with Bill Gates on the whole OS/2 debacle in PC Magazine, Nov 8, 2005 page 122-123.

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Nope!

It might have been in '86 actually. And MS had been working on Windows since about '84. Although MS couldn't give the development time it deserved because those MS programmers were mostly working on OS/2. MS lost 3 years in Windows development because of OS/2.

IBM only paid MS for the lines of code MS produced. IBM didn't care if MS spent more time to make the code lean, mean and faster. As IBM would pay you less if you did so. IBM was cutting their own throats. IBM is full of a much of morons. Impossible to work with and to get paid fairly for. Hell I would work slowly and drag my feet as well for those morons.

Yeah, IBM got fed up alright! As Microsoft didn't want to be a slave to IBM (who always makes slaves or crushes anybody that gets in their way up to this point in time). And IBM wanted MS to create OS/2 which would be made to run on only true IBM PCs after they have the world hooked on OS/2.

Yeah that is a great plan for us, NOT! Bill Gates had taken the biggest risk in his career. As nobody ever bucked IBM and had survived. Although he did it! And thank goodness he did! As we all would be using real IBM machines and OS/2 by now.

Sure IBM was ticked that Bill Gates wasn't going to play along. So they parted ways. And IBM wouldn't sell any IBM computer with Windows installed for a short time. Until IBM realized that they couldn't sell IBM computers with either crappy PC-DOS or OS/2 on them. As people wanted Windows instead, plain and simple.

The same MS programmers wrote both OS/2 and Windows 3.0. So why should this be a surprise?

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For each copy of MS-DOS, yes. They didn't get royalties for each copy of IBM-DOS that IBM distributed.

Notice the different letters, "MS-DOS" and "IBM-DOS", that indicates they're separate products, with separate licensing terms.

Of course we've all seen how this has worked for Apple... "Think different (as long as it's how we tell you)"

What I find most interesting is that November 8 is still over a week in the future.

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I suppose that's one way to look at the time that M$ spent sucking money from IBM and using it for their own gains.

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I think IBM had visions of stability that M$ will never attain, ever.

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morons.

Yeah, morons. They only own the mainframe market even though Honeywell made better hardware. IBM's only moronic move was to allow M$ to screw them for a second time. The first time being with MSDOS/IBMDOS games.

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Too bad that isn't true since they would have done the world a great favor by crushing M$.

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Actually, if Gates wasn't so good at being greedy, we'd all be using something that actually worked. OS/2 was crap too. Too bad Xerox didn't have sense enough to stay in the game, they had the best product for the office in 1980. Apple didn't have anything that could come close for around 10 years. It took M$ almost another 5 years on top of that to catch up.

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The only reason being that M$ delayed OS/2 was so that Win 3.0 could get the jump on it. If OS/2 would have shipped on time, it would have possibly eliminated windows.

It's not a surprise to me. I think it just goes to show that M$ had no qualms about directly lifting the code that they originally wrote for IBM using IBM's money and, AFAICT, IBM's design goals. I'm not saying that was illegal back then, but it certainly wouldn't happen in today's IP obsessed world without bringing about major court battles.

Here was a true visionary:

You obviously really like M$ so there probably isn't much point in continuing this until it becomes a real pissing contest. I run windos on some machines because I basically have to. When I need something that really works, I use Linux. :-)

Proof that the biggest dick isn't in my pants. Read the frigging posts and quit being a jackass. If you really knew anyting about PC operating systems, you would know that the RTC on the motherboard is ONLY used upon a reboot, and that the OS does its OWN timekeeping. Punks like you, who just got a PC like two years ago, think that Windows reads the MB clock on every time slice, which only shows that all you are is a troll, with no knowledge of how things work.

A whole generation gave pukes like you computers and technology that your kind could never reproduce, and you don't even take the time to understand it.

Let's not loose track of that fact that windows, being unable to do REAL prememptive multitasking, is also incapable of keeping accurate time, for that very reason. Try not to listen when cornheads make dopey statements like "write a tight running program, and if you can switch to another one while it is running, then it is pre-emptively multitasking" for surely, stupider words were never spoken on Usenet, and that is saying a whole lot.

Only morons make statements about OS/2 when they can barely spell it, have never used it, and would not know a quality piece of software if they fell over it. It takes a real windows loving douche bag to proclaim OS/2 as technically inferior, and ever stupider people to not know that NT was originally OS/2.

What it takes tho, is reading, and research, instead of Public (government) TV as the means for the information.

Here are your replies, even before you write them:

"Listen s*****ad, I have been involved with computers for over forty years, and was on the internet before it was the internet. I was there when Gates cut his own umbilical cord and started typing on a keyboard before he was even toilet trained. I worked for IBM when they screwed up OS/2 because everyone knows that IBM was the stupidest, lamest, worst company in the history of the world....." and on and on with the same stupid, lame, moronic comments about how you are the most skilled person in usenet.

Usenet sucks, and so do the people who seem to need it in order to find any kind of self esteem and purpose in their lives. Try going outside, and doing something useful with life, instead of just being a ding dong all day with a keyboard. Sex can help, but not just with yourself.