Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?

We had that. I remember climbing onto the roof to tighten the bolts after some high winds. When I told the manager I'd fixed the internet dish she was horrified I'd gone up there. I told her I was an atheist and didn't believe in health and softy.

My street (and the next two) are the last three to get done in the whole town. We were historically (and still are) connected to a small village a mile away presumably due to capacity. They're consequently not putting fibre in for another 2 years! I'm stuck on this horrid 32Mbit (should be 54 but it got overcrowded).

Maybe the dumbest? For Connecticut it's more than the politicians. The company I worked for did business with CT firms when they still had a machine tool industry. You had to understand the power structure and who to grease.

Troy NY, close to where I grew up, was and is corrupt but it worked rather well. You did favors and you got favors. Back then Marty Burke was the city boss regardless of the formal administration. The polite term for his role would be ombundsman I guess.

Crop yields are way up, which feeds hungry people. Crops can grow twice as fast in a hothouse with 1000 PPM CO2.

Try to think about things in a little more simple manner.

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It's poor countries where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold is the big killer.

Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

Crop yields are way up because of fertilizers derived from petrochemical feedstocks and the worlds limited supply of bulk phosphates. CO2 has very little to do with yield, and that very little is fundamentally limited.

So what? Climate change makes the extremes worse, on both ends.

Look at the links I posted nearby. Life keeps getting better.

The greenies don't want people to be better off; quite the opposite.

Try to find something other than dropbox to support your theories.

Well, it's far simpler an analysis to just jump to climate remediation engineering: What exactly would it take to reduce atmospheric CO2 enough to matter? This analysis has the advantage of not requiring climate models et al - physical chemistry is enough.

The problem is that when one does the computation, one soon gets immense numbers - the atmosphere is planetary-scale for sure.

And the Oceans contain something like fifty times as much CO2 as the atmosphere. For all the talk of the atmosphere, it could take a very long time to deplete the oceanic reservoirs.

Which all leads to a political problem:

The combined population of China, India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh is

The corresponding figures for GDP is $15.4 Trillion for China et al, and $38.2 Trillion for US+EU.

The per capita income (GDP divided by population) is nine time higher in the US+EU than in China et al, so for everyone to have the same per-capita income, China et al must increase their economic activity level by a factor of nine per capita, with almost four times the population, for a net factor of 4*9 = 36.

So the West is 1/36 = 2.8% of the World story. This is a round off error. Nothing the West can do matters one whit.

Other than to develop nuclear energy technology on the scale of Civilization.

Joe Gwinn

Except for the poor bastards (for example) whose countries are being inundated by rising sea levels. Or people (including Americans) who are suffering from extreme weather like hurricanes and tornadoes. Or people (including Americans and especially the elderly) who die from heat waves, which are becoming more numerous.

You really don't care about other people, and you're incapable of seeing the big picture.

Their real flaw is thinking that people are smart enough to act out of enlightened self-interest. Enlightenment is lacking.

only in the sense that if i cant afford to heat my home i will die of pneumonia...

And climate policy is ensuring they dont get it.

You said your house was insulated. Why would you need more heat?

I may die of cardiac arrest when I get the bill for the propane fill-up this week.

Bullshit with most of the plants.

Not very many of those.