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How far-fetched can you get?

The point is that they are visible all the time, in direct conflict with the Noachian flood story.

No lack of shore lines that move, all over the world. The obvious one is the Persian Gulf moving into Eufrates/Tigris delta. (much faster, and just where it is wanted) There is where the story that those shepherds from the hills ripped off really happened,

Jan

Of course, it is a stibilised quartz clock. I thought you were proud of being an engineer, so I adapted the description.

Like I said, they are called 'clocks' but for the time being they are only frequency standards. (precisely because they cannot be used yet to stabilise a quartz clock)

From an engineering point of view that is just being able to count.

Jan

Bullshit, of course, anyone can check GPS, a Cs clock (together with your SI absurd) may be good enough for kiddish games of idiots like you, but it's no way stable enough for serious measurements.

When you are happy with a 1.4xyzzy GHz clock frequency, an active Hydrogen maser can do that without an XTAL.

Gerhard

(having locked a h-maser to a zero-g cesium. The maser has the better phase noise but Cs is the law. That was somewhat eased b/c everything was at 100 MHz already.)

The Galileo satnav system uses them, with somewhat mixed succes. Some have failed, iirc. And, also afaik, Cesium clocks can achieve better long term stability, (10^-15, for the fountain kind)

Jan

Being amused or not is for Sloman to decide. I'm just keeping spr going, with whatever comes along, only nasty trolls excepted.

Guests from sed are of course welcome.

Jan

Au revoir, my formerly feisty foil.

LHC's tearful team twinning - scientism's spontaneous segue into schmaltzy soap opera stuffed with metaphor:

Chasing the Higgs

...

Now it had come down to the Large Hadron Collider, where two armies of physicists, each 3,000 strong, struggled against each other and against nature, in a friendly but deadly serious competition.

In physics tradition, they were there to check and complement each other in a $10 billion experiment too valuable to trust to only one group, no matter how brilliant and highly motivated.

...

The stakes were more than just Nobel Prizes, bragging rights or just another quirkily named addition to the zoo of elementary particles that make up nature at its core. The Higgs boson would be the only visible manifestation of the Harry Potterish notion put forward back in 1964 (most notably by Peter Higgs of the University of Edinburgh) that there is a secret, invisible force field running the universe. (The other theorists were François Englert and Robert Brout, both of Université Libre de Bruxelles; and Tom Kibble of Imperial College, London, Carl R. Hagen of the University of Rochester and Gerald Guralnik of Brown University.)

...

Everybody agreed that the Large Hadron Collider was the last stand in the hunt for the Higgs boson. Circling for 17 miles underneath the complex of aging postwar buildings outside Geneva (and out into France) that constitute the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, the collider was designed to accelerate the subatomic particles known as protons to more than 99 percent of the speed of light - an energy of seven trillion electron volts - and crash them together.

...

Many physicists, Dr. Wu admits, thought that she herself had leaked the report. A year and a half later, she still found it hard to talk about the Easter event.

"I was so excited I couldn't control my emotions," Dr. Wu recalled. She wrote the note as a way of alerting the Atlas community, she said. "I thought CMS would go on vacation and we could get ahead. I'm sorry I did that."

...

While physicists fretted about the death of the Higgs, something was happening out in the wilds of uncertainty. One bump on physicists' charts, from the W bosons, was disappearing. But another was blooming like the shy girl at a dance.

In retrospect, nobody could remember exactly when she had come in. But she was the one who would marry the prince.

...

Back in Switzerland that same month, during a break when the Large Hadron Collider was not running, Dr. Gross took his girlfriend, Talia Levy Tytiun, down into the Atlas cavern. "I decided that I want to propose to Talia in the place which was the symbol of my life at this Higgs hunting period," he explained.

"But believe me, I checked a thousand times with her before to make sure she will say yes."

...

The gamma rays were still there, and had grown in significance, putting the boson on the verge of reality. Dr. Gianotti scrawled a note back: "Oh, my God."

A week later, her team looked at another important decay channel, and her enthusiasm deflated. There was nothing. She spent a few days and nights with her "neurons spinning," she recalled, wondering how they could have been fooled. ...

If nothing else, she thought, her talk would be a valentine to the passion and competence of the 3,000 Atlas scientists. ...

"Every slide was a reward to the work of many, many people," she said. "So I was feeling so proud."

"I think we have it," he said. The cheers began again. Dr. Higgs was seen wiping away tears.

...

Dr. Wu waded through the crowd. She hugged Dr. Higgs.

"I've been looking for you my whole life," she said.

"Well," he replied, "now you have found me."

Time is a universal parameter of most theories of mechanics, and the useful ones.

It's also an implicit parameter among any interacting terms.

For example, "force is a function of time".

It's more than less what "meters" processes itself.

That time-symmetry/time-irreversibility has never been falsified, makes for that it's not falsified "there are no closed time-like curves".

"Counting" and "ordering" are fundamentally different, when one or the other of "theories-of-one-relation" has its elements "cardinals" or "ordinals", neither of which quite suffices to contain "number theory" or "geometry", given usual accounts of "invincible inference": the "invincible ignorance" of "inductive inference".

Then, time-keeping the time-base is for measurements related to time, "counting" is simply enough tossing pebbles into a pile or the grains of an hourglass, where the traditional account of "time-keeping" is that it's tossing pebbles into a pile to estimate when to pull the food from the fire, _after_ counting.

Heh, silly reductionists.

Too bad for most theories of mechanics; too bad for your moronic physics.

Time is a universal _absolute_ parameter.

About space-contraction as length-contraction and time-dilation together, has that clocks "slow" or "meet" about differences between "space-contraction-linear" and "space-contraction-rotational", breaking out the "space-contraction" as "-linear" and "-rotational" instead of "length-contraction" and "time-dilation".

This is a very euclidean account.

The stability of the cesium clock is used to regulate a lower frequency clock that gets counted. It's not any kind of "stabilised quartz clock".

You "adaption" misses the point.

The mechanisms that are used to force the lower frequency clocks that can be counted to conform to the stability of the optical source are fairly complicated, and I don't claim to know all that much about them, but they are used to fix the output frequency to a precise fraction of the optical frequency standard.

Not a well-informed assertion.

Time is a word. You have no clue what it means, neither poor idiot JJ has.

Think about Doggerland (now in the middle of the North sea between England and the Netherlands).

There were people living out there at the end of the last ice age.

The sea level rise tied up in the West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets isn't going to show up as smooth and gradual rise, any more than the sea level rises that happened at the end of the most recent ice age did.

Who was promoting that?

And you know because your time machine took you there?

Cs fountains cannot work in zero g, nor does it make sense to move the Cs atoms while you want to interrogate them. Tout au contraire!

google for < cesium clock Pharao >

( I had nothing to do with the pharao innards, just a satisfied user :-)

cheers, Gerhard

You can assure me as much as you like, but you don't strike me as having a clue about what you are talking about.

Climate isn't remotely local. When the El Nino and La Nina states show up, they are most clearly visible in the ocean surface temperatures in the Pacific around the equator. They change the rainfall patterns in Eastern Australia. Weather is about moving heat from the equator towards the poles, and it ties into ocean currents that do the same job. We can see the ones flowing on the surface. The deep currents that handle the return flow are now being documented by the Argo Buoy program, but there are only a couple of thousand of them and a great deal of ocean.

It affects the local weather - urban heat island. Climate is a much larger scale effect.

My exhalations are trivial. The tons of aviation fuel that got burnt when I flew from Australian to Europe and back are less trivial.

It isn't "the ground" that evaporates most of the water, but the surfaces of the oceans. It falls as rain (or snow) on the land surfaces.

The average temperatures of that sea surface has gone up by a bit more than 1 degree Celcius since the start of the industrial revolution, and that means that oceans evaporate about 10% more water now than they did back then.

So you personally admit to being an ignorant half-wit.

That is totally insane. The effects you think you are seeing are caused by continental drift. The continents are less dense rocks that float on the denser crust. The molten earth under the crust is heated by radiative decay, and is stirred by convection currents that drag the continents around.

Actually it's a simple sort of consequence, after axiomless natural deduction making axiomless geometry, since "the only constant is change", then as with regards to "geometry is motion".

Actually it's a simple sort of consequence, ..., in a continuum mechanics.

Actually - no it is not.

Sounds like a broken record.