Tesla is fast

I have found nothing but good things to say about Audis. Although they are just VWs with a higher price tag.

"Commander Kinsey" snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@ryzen.lan:

You are an idiot. Though owned by VW, they have their own engine design engineers and it shows in the higher priced product. So they are not "just a VW with a higher price tag." you f****ng retard.

You are almost as stupid as John Dope is... almost.

Not according to this.

"The average age of a car at scrappage in 2015 reached 13.9 years"

One annoyance was the plug wires. At around 15k miles the car wouldn't start. It didn't run rough or exhibit any problems until the day it wouldn't go. I assumed an over zealous computer decided the wires were out of spec. I always carried spares.

Then there was the day the wipers wouldn't turn off. I was in the middle of nowhere and had to call the shop to find which relay to pull.

The finish had problems and the transaxles had problems eventually. My wife got the Audi when we split and she traded it in on a Rabbit and got almost nothing for it.

It certainly wasn't the car's fault but it wasn't geared to cruise at 55 when yet another idiot president passed a national speed limit.

The first gen wasn't that great. I'd went in to but a Porsche 914, decided they didn't come in my size, and got the Audi. The 914's were no prize either.

Sounds like a DIY fire bomb. Suggestion: don't park it in your garage while tinkering with it.

As I pointed out, you can't depend upon the range to exhaustion. What happens if you only get 39 miles? Pushing that car even one mile would be a good feat for the Strongest Man Contest.

I got towing service, or just to jump charge from another vehicle. Charging from a good 12V source gets 2 to 3 miles per hour.

Wrong. It takes the same amount of energy to charge and gets the same amount of output. Waning battery just hold less energy, but exactly same amount going in and out.

Ed Lee snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

This from a dope that just admitted battery degradation at the same time he denies it.

You ain't real bright, child.

You have reading and learning disabilities. I said that the 24kwh main traction battery is degraded to 60%, which is same as a new 15kwh. They require the same amount of energy to charge and can discharge the same. Adding 10kwh auxiliary traction battery in parallel with the main will restore it to spec, except with the additional weight (750 pounds) and volume (5 cu.ft.). However, the ECU will not recognize beyond 24kwh and additional storage should be pumped in via OBC.

You have to write in language he understand. DecadentLinux is simply an ignorant stupid jerk, FFF and CCC.

OK, I was wrong, it's not a fun hobby.

LOL!!! What you drive is a DIY BEV. No one else on earth, with any sense at least, is doing what you are doing. Meanwhile, literally millions of BEVs are sold each year and the numbers are rising exponentially for now.

Averages are very poor numbers to use for this. Much more realistic is the median. A car can only be scrapped at 0 years at a minimum, while there is no maximum. If half the cars are toast after, say 12 years, it would only take a few reaching 20 years plus, to push the average to 15 years.

As to the life of the battery, Tesla guarantees the batteries to 8 years. How many engines or transmissions are warrantied to 8 years? In the US, the average annual miles driven are 14,000 or 112,000 miles. Tesla batteries have reached over 200,000 miles, just as ICE cars have reached those numbers.

One of the significant differences is BEVs tell you how far you can drive, pretty much to the mile. You want to leave a few miles to spare, not because of the car, but because stuff happens. You may need to route around an accident or any number of things that mean you need a few extra miles.

Any car with a 40 mile range is absurd.

No really, there are many Leaf owners upgrading the battery, usually with the newer 40kwh or 65kwh donors, as well as discrete wired batteries. However, having more than 24kwh for the Gen 1 Leaf requires CAN bridge mod and the existing wiring might not handle the current as well. I will need custom OBC/DC spiller to charge the auxiliary battery separately. It's also needed for CCS charging port on the Leaf.

I'm not sure what point you are making.

I agree that for populations with an asymmetric distribution a median would be better but I didn't find any supporting data for that.

Even the average is probably not as sensitive to long lived individuals as you indicate.

For example if half of the cars were scrapped on their 12th birthday and the other half on their 20th the median (and average) would be 16 years. Cars being scrapped before their 12th birthday would bring down the median (and average).

It would take more than just "a few" cars reaching 20 years to shift the average to 15 years.

Even if it did, that would only make the average lifetime about the same as in the US where the claim was made that in the UK the cars last 20 years.

If anything I wouldn't be surprised if cars in the UK are scrapped earlier than in the US because of the national, fairly stringent, annual MOT safety check that is mandated or the car registration cannot be renewed. In my experience than can easily cause the car to be scrapped because the repair cost can exceed the value of the vehicle. Many states in the US have similar requirements but also many don't, California doesn't; only emissions are checked every three years.

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Ed Lee snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news:ce03511b-0553-492f- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

You are an abject idiot. And you have electrical engineering disabilities.

Nice attempt at yet another invalid assessment.

Just like your invalid assessment of how a bank of cells (battery) operates, much less ages.

Your statement: "A waning battery takes more juice to charge and gets you less output" is ludicrous.