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T-storm (annual rainfall) time. 115°F yesterday, currently only 82°F, but MUGGY, more T-storms predicted this afternoon :-(

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Employment is not conditional on "your condition". "Pre-existing conditions" _are_ covered, as long as you have continuous insurance coverage. If not, there is a period where they aren't covered (1-year). I've been going through this for my wife now (Blue cross of MS doesn't talk to BC of AL).

I do believe they're a little stricter with aliens than we are.

There is no "wait and see". Once you wait, it's too late. GOing back is almost impossible. We still have the hangover from the New Deal.

When we're all destitute, you can tell yourself that.

As part of a retirement package, sure. This was relatively common and indeed is part of the UAW's death sentence to the auto industry. I have insurance as part of my retirement too, but it's not that cheap, particularly for family members. It was cheaper to go with my current employer.

Not really. We have Kaiser and that even limits you to one particular doctor.

Oh yeah, tons of money plus super-high deductible ($2700/person in our case).

That is quite disturbing. I haven't heard what they want to do re HSA accounts. The Bush administration did really great to put those into place.

Both. Sometimes stuff isn't covered and they go there because it's cheaper. Other times a procedure hasn't gotten blessing yet so they go somewhere else, especially cancer patients who don't have a lot of time to wait.

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Hi Keith,

OK, but those "relatively low-skilled workers" often don't have continuous coverage; penalizing them for that seems wrong to me.

It (the waiting period) varies with the particular insurance provider, doesn't it?

Yeah, it can take years.

OK, but at least at engineering companies, I'd be surprised if many of them dropped their own health care plans in the next couple of years.

Nah, it won't get that bad. We just might not maintain our status as the country with the highest standard of living anymore... :-(

---Joel

Many employer offer several plans. You're always free to buy you own. Of course you might have to give up the 50" plasma TV, but...

That's where the system can easily be fixed. *Allow* insurance companies to pool people who don't have a "common interest". This is currently forbidden in most (all) states. Also allow high deductibles (currently forbidden in many states) to go along with HSAs. Give people an incentive to buy insurance by letting some stupid ones lose their SUVs.

Ah, so the federal government should just tell people to shut up and die, already. Why shouldn't that person, with the "only" 20% chance of living decide for himself what his life is worth? If you really believe what yo wrote above, you and Obama belong together. I just hope your wife, or daughter, doesn't get breast cancer.

Obama doesn't want health care. He wants "equality". Once you get your arms around that concept you see what he's all about. He wants to distribute misery equally.

No, DimBulb, but you're AlwaysWrong.

How *do* you do it, AlwaysWrong?

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Yep, less than thirty miles. The Atlanta airport is 100mi from my house. I don't got no JawJuh accent, though. I'm a carpetbagger. ;-)

The problem with M$ crap is that it always needs support, but support is beyond possibility.

Hi Keith,

I've yet to have one like that... although I have had a few where there weren't *any* offered. :-)

Given that we currently pay twice what other countries do for our health care, I'm not too worried about the TV just yet...

I agree with your suggestions regarding pooling individuals and high deductible/HSA plans.

Not entirely, but the idea is that you need to weight your spending towards what actually works. As cold as it may be, in a group of 10 it's better to let 1 person die because a procedure to save him would cost $10k than to allow

9 people to die when procedures to save *them* would be $1k/ea. In actuality it's of course a lot more complex than this, but the point is that when it comes to deciding how to spend limited resources, emphasis needs to be put on trying to do the most good possible under the basic assumption that -- from the government's perspective -- no citizen is any more or less valuable than any other.

He can, I'm just talking about government health care plans here; I'm all for people buying additional insurance on top of the "basic" care the government would be providing. I'm against provisions of any proposed government health care plan that would try to actively put such supplemental insurance providers out of business.

The man's net worth is something like $7M, which -- while far below that of many previous presidents -- is certainly well above average in this country. So apparently he doesn't want *eveyrone* to be quite that equal... :-)

---Joel

Those "relatively low-skilled workers" need to get more skills. Showing up for work when they're required to is one of the skills they need.

No. I suppose some could be less, some nonexistent.

I wouldn't. Why would they bother with insurance if they can "buy" the "government option" cheaper? That's not really the point though. Once the "government option" is there, it *will* crowd out all others. That's precisely how it's designed.

It *will* get that bad. That's the design. Listen!

My PPOE had at least six different options, one of which was an HSA. My current employer has only one; not too bad, but nothing to brag about. In reality, it's what insurance should be, or better.

We will be paying four times. Note that we're paying what other countries pay for their entire population just to cover those with Medicare, Medicaid, and the military. Medicare doesn't even pay the entire bill for those with Medicare. Just how is covering *everyone* with government insurance going to be cheaper than covering 1/3?

That's what insurance should be.

"Your" or "our". There is a *big* difference. I prefer government bureaucrats not have the power of life and death over me.

Ah, the "greater good" fallacy. You really are a commie.

I suppose everyone should live in the same house, drive the same car, and eat the same food, too. Welcome to the USSR (where the bureaucrats are more equal than the non-).

That's what you're going to get!

Of course not. He has already said that he would not have the same medical coverage as he would have for you and I. You don't think congress is going to have the plan dictated for the rest of us? Wake up!

Hi Keith,

Absolutely they should, I'm just not willing to penalize people WRT basic health care even if they are unskilled lazy bums. (And unfortunately there are some such people today that end up in emergency rooms and thereby cost society a lot more than if they were provided basic care and stayed far away from the emergency room.)

BTW, a lot of people who just don't seem to be able to hold onto a job and drift around also tend to be mentally ill and really need treatment.

Ah, thanks; I didn't know that.

Because the private insurance option will have better benefits than the government option. Hence it's still a perk like any other that companies use to attract and retain employees.

Do you have a timeline in mind? Obama is already 6 months into a 48 month term, and while the economy certainly sucks right now, the overall standard of living in the U.S. is still well above that of, e.g., Europe.

---Joel

Umm, I thought you were retired and consulting.

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It's going to be either a tax increase, a (huge) premium increase, or both.

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But that's not even 1000 miles of a move. My last one was about 6000. But yeah, they'd always hear that you oarn't from this here neighborhood. After a while some twang will probably sneak in. The son of a neighbor lived in Texas for probably about 10 years, moved there when he was 20 or so. He sure sounds like a Texan by now.

My accent is a mixture of half a dozen ones. Sometimes people can't make out where I am from.

The simple stuff doesn't and that is the only SW I use from up there. XP, Word, MS-Works, that's pretty much it.

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Hi Keith,

Initially, it certainly won't be.

Long-term I believe the idea is something like the Wal*Mart effect: The government will be such a huge customer of drug companies, hospitals, etc. that they'll be able to start negotiating serious reductions in cost. Add in some tort reform such that doctors' malpractice insurance drops substantially, and maybe we'll get there.

But that is speculation on my part; I don't think anybody really knows for certain.

Feel free to buy supplemental insurance?

Are all of the senior citizens presently receiving medicare commies? In a group of 100 seniors, I bet you could count on one hand how many voluntarily decline medicare coverage due to a conviction that it's a form of socialism or communism. And all they "did" to earn the right to medicare was to get old! At least those guys at the VA hospitals were generally willing to risk their lives for our country in order to *earn* their health care...

I think it already is largely that way -- while not absolutely identical, bridges and roads are built to largely the same standards nationwide, HUD housing is subsidized at roughly the same rate (considering local market conditons), food assistance programs are largely standardized across the nation, etc.

If you're asking the government for a handout, while they may occasionally be extenuating circumstances, in general everyone should be getting the same thing.

This does gets complicated in that very few programs are entirely federally funded (e.g., road construction, schools, etc. all are partially locally funded).

Sure, but his better-than-bog-standard-government is a "perk" of his job (as is congress's). Private companies can and should continue to offer supplemental insurance coverage to recruit and maintain their employees, when financial viable.

---Joel

Given the current administration, I suspect it's going to be a tax increase... unfortunately much of which is going to be on corporations, which tends to decrease jobs. :-( (As far as I can tell, the main reason corporate income is taxed is because many people don't think it will affect them personally, so they're much more likely to vote "yes" whereas they'll steadfastly refuse to raise their own property or income taxes. And of course far too many politicians take a "no" vote on a tax increase as a challenge to find a "creative" funding solution rather than just realizing the people don't want the program being offered...)

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I retired in November of '06, then contracted for a year in Ohio starting in August of '08, when I got another real job in Alabama. ;-)

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Both. Huge! Let's not forget more debt. Huge! More people out of work, more taxes, more debt, and 'round and 'round she goes. If you thought Carter was bad, this is going to make us wish it were Carter.

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1270 miles direct, 1390 if you include the year stop in OH, but who's counting?

I don't have a NewYak or Vemont, eh, accent. It's still pretty Midwestern.

I'll let that one slide... ;-)

Word? What junk! Its paragraph management is the pits. Controlling lists is impossible. Excel is the only M$ software I can even stomach (it's even "good"). I'll get into Access when I get some time. We'll see.