Should a Technician do engineering?

Mar 24, 2012 216 Replies

I had an intern who could mop me up with theory and the speed of learning new stuff, but why couldn't he get a simple PCB layout done right the first, or even the second!!! time?

I have a success rate of about 96% perfect first PCB spins.

I'd hire him again though, because I think that attention to detail can come in time.

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Vacation is important, surely. When I left IBM I went from five weeks per year to zero. Well, zero paid. ;-) For the last few years I've had three PTO weeks, and that includes sick time (which until recently, I haven't been).

All that has to be taken into account.

These days, that's a good plan. I do it one better by taking the money now (no point in waiting). ;-)

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In many countries Technicians also have degrees - 3 year ones. Engineers have 4 year ones or Masters.

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You will know when you have a major cardiac episode and get to take a look around the table you are stretched out on :-)

The world does not consist of only large companies. Many of the major breakthroughs happen not in big ones but in small ones, such as the one mentioned above.

I've never been. But what's that got to do with telling HR not to censor?

Now how could _not_ censoring resumes possibly lead to a lawsuit?

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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1) You can tell a stone, but you can't tell it much. 2) HR has the lawyers on their side.

Because you subverted the process to avoid law suits. If one arises, it

*will* be your fault.

Jamie,

You don't seem to want to answer that question. It's important.

John Larkin, President Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com http://www.highlandtechnology.com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

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In the US, there are no general rules about that. Some companies may have rules, some don't. In some states, you have to be a registered professional engineer to call yourself "engineer" but that's not strictly enforced.

My company has two non-degreed engineers. We call them engineers, on their business cards, because they do engineering. And we have three degreed engineers (including me) whose card doesn't say "engineer".

John Larkin, President Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com http://www.highlandtechnology.com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

Nonsense. HR has no lawyers and they are on our side. They were very professional and understood such requests. Else we'd have hired new HR folks :-)

Tell me why one arises and exactly _what_ fault I could possibly be accused of.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

And sometimes *well past* sabotage in the case of senior management vs. technicians.

--Winston

Then you can't be an engineer, or do the work of an engineer. And I wouldn't hire you for any function.

Engineers, or at least good ones, have to be compulsive about making things work right. You seem willing to hide a product defect, and damage your entire organization, for personal, emotional reasons, because you think someone else "displays symptoms of greed and glory."

John Larkin, President Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com http://www.highlandtechnology.com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

Yeah, what he said. If you reported to me and behaved the way you describe, you'd be looking for work.

Really honest people are rare and valuable.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Found it! T1 and T2 were supposed to be 330 uH, but the parts on the boards are 33's. All that magnetizing inductance current trashes everything.

So *that's* where the current was going.

Pity they weren't 3.3's... it would have blown up at powerup and saved me a lot of investigating.

John Larkin, President Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com http://www.highlandtechnology.com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

Or had learned their stuff outside the usual career pathways. Universities do not have a monopoly on education. Highly self-driven people can learn this stuff also on their own, and then some.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

To answer your question, I would first need to know the engineer and if said engineer displays symptoms of greed and glory off others, especially me, yes, I would conceal it. Otherwise, I'd be more than happy to bring some one's attention to a possible defect.

Like I said, for those that abuse the help and ideas they get, they get what they deserve in the end.

Harsh words? Maybe, but some engineers earn their undesirable status.

I try very hard not to become one of those undesirable groupies, I do put all those involved on a project, in the paper work if it is one of mine. Most of the others I work with also do the same. Like I said, most but not all.

I tend to thing it is better to form a group on a project instead of an individual, this way, all those involved can also share in the failures when they occur. A resolve is usually found in short order and every one can go home happy at the end of the day.

Jamie

As always, the only explanation is that you live in a different universe.

Good grief. Subveting the screens HR has put in place.

Exactly. If "Jamie" really feels that strongly about his co-workers, he has no business working there. Becoming part of the problem isn't worth it.

Especially with the internet. Much less effort than the good ol' days.

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It's you who seem to live in a bizarre universe, maybe a Napoleaonic one where :-)

You did not answer the question. Let me re-phrase, maybe you'll understand it better this way: What exactly is illegal about telling HR _not_ to put any screens in place?

HR is not the authority when it comes to hiring. The hiring manager is. It's that simple.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Yes, information and good learning material is essentially free these days. But even in the old days it was, almost. Ham radio literature didn't cost much, library access was cheap or free, and at least at my university they let everyone walk in without showing any sort of ID. There simply was no guard. You only had to show ID when you wanted to take a book home but reading something right there was free.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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