Regulator Design Topology Suggestions.

Hi All,

My radio device requires the following Vin Specifications

Vin range 3v2 to 4v5 nominal 3v6 Current 2amps peak Ripple less than 250mV up to 10KHz, Ripple less than 40mV from 10kHz to 100kHz and Ripple less than 5mW greater than 100KHz

From the outside world I would like to supply my radio devices with a voltage range 9 - 36V

What can you suggest for regulator options?

Should a use a two step approach.... a pre-regulator to drop the voltage down to 9-12V then a very low ripple DC-D regulator.

Should I add DC capacitive filtering to achieve the ver low ripple requirements

What can you suggest?

Thanks in advance.

Joe

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What is the supply of voltage ?

An old car battery charger ??

Solar cells ??

Bicycle dynamo feeding a bridge ??

.... Phil

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Phil Allison

Google on "buck regulator". ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Assuming no ripple on the input and a switcher running at

100KHz, the ripple values below 100KHz are all easily met.

The best design is likely to be a fairly simple bucker.

To get the low ripple, you need to be careful with where the ripple currents end up flowing.

L1 ---------- L2 L3 IN-+--))))---+---! Switcher !---+---))))--+--))))--+-- ! ! ---------- ! ! ! =3D=3D=3DC1 =3D=3D=3DC2 ! ---D1 =3D=3D=3DC3 =3D=3D= =3DC4 ! ! ! ^ ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ---------+---+---- ! ! ! ! GND1 ! ! ! --------------+ ! ! GND2 ! ! ---+--------------------------------------+--------+----

You need to bring the ground end of C2 and D1 together directly Move the parts around until they almost touch

The next priority is to get C3 to ground near the same point.

If this is a multilayer PCB, a GND1 can be an internal layer that on other parts of the PCB is a trace layer. The whole idea here is to keep the ripple currents local to the circuit.

If this is a stand alone item, the GND2, input and output should all be in one small area. Don't put them on opposite ends of the PCB as would seem intuitive.

The connection between C1 and C4 should be also as short as you can make it.

L1 and L3 are basically large RF beads. They need to be lossy.

All the capacitors are actually collections of capacitors as needed to get the ESR and ESL numbers low enough.

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MooseFET

So, use a prebuilt DC/DC converter with regulation. For 24V input and 3.3V output, these are easily available prebuilt and off-the- shelf. (input "24V" can mean a range of 9V to 36V...).

It's not usually worthwhile designing your own power converters; the Murata/Power-One/Vicor/Ericsson... designs pretty much cover this territory.

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whit3rd

Assuming no ripple on the input and a switcher running at

100KHz, the ripple values below 100KHz are all easily met.

The best design is likely to be a fairly simple bucker.

To get the low ripple, you need to be careful with where the ripple currents end up flowing.

L1 ---------- L2 L3 IN-+--))))---+---! Switcher !---+---))))--+--))))--+-- ! ! ---------- ! ! ! ===C1 ===C2 ! ---D1 ===C3 ===C4 ! ! ! ^ ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ---------+---+---- ! ! ! ! GND1 ! ! ! --------------+ ! ! GND2 ! ! ---+--------------------------------------+--------+----

You need to bring the ground end of C2 and D1 together directly Move the parts around until they almost touch

The next priority is to get C3 to ground near the same point.

If this is a multilayer PCB, a GND1 can be an internal layer that on other parts of the PCB is a trace layer. The whole idea here is to keep the ripple currents local to the circuit.

If this is a stand alone item, the GND2, input and output should all be in one small area. Don't put them on opposite ends of the PCB as would seem intuitive.

The connection between C1 and C4 should be also as short as you can make it.

L1 and L3 are basically large RF beads. They need to be lossy.

All the capacitors are actually collections of capacitors as needed to get the ESR and ESL numbers low enough.

Regs Joe

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Joe G (Home)

Yes... but after googling buck regulator... the search results give too many buck regulator options.

Only some buck regulators offer up ripple specifications - Linear Tech is one.

I was after an "executive summary" an pointer in the right direction... which is why I made my question quite specific.

Some else has replied with a detail answer in few lines.... I many need a PI filter and careful PCB design.

Regs Joe

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Joe G (Home)

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Many of the other makers provide the information you need to work out the ripple. You need to do some looking at those data sheets and math on what you find.

If you do a design, you will likely find that the ripple is determined by the capacitors.

PI

Yes to both.

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MooseFET

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This is great Moosefet. (Though I have no plans to build switchers at the moment.. I love the circuit discussion.)

Can/Have you told SED where you work?

George H.

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George Herold

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MooseFET

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