Re: OT: keep the internet free

Exactly. Your neighbors who don't use Netflix' Comcast bill won't have to. You pay for your excessive usage.

Certainly. Charge everyone who uses a significant percentage of their infrastructure. Yes, they should charge (if it was "over" you wouldn't have the service) you for basic service. If you want them to charge by the bit, so be it. The universal hatred of that model is pretty clear with cell service. The bottom line is that someone is going to pay for Netflix'bandwidth. I find it preferable that people who use the bandwidth pay for the bandwidth.

The part of the infrastructure they use is free?

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(at least *YOU* are getting my point)

I don't see the difference. Either way, the big users are paying for their share. IMO the cell model is broken (though by necessity). It will kill the Internet. Certainly any streaming.

Exactly.

That's the cell model. IMO, it's a crappy model. I don't use any streaming over cell because they do this sort of thing.

So it's charged to Netflix who turns around and charges those who use their service. What's not to like?

When I started using the Internet, I was paying by the minute. I bought a second, flat-rate, line for the computer. My voice line continued to be by the minute.

How is it a problem to it as it is today? The users get charged for the product. What's not to like?

...and they should pay for it. ...or more precisely, their users should pay for it. Charging the service provider is an easy way to show what the service really costs the end user.

That's what everyone is bitching about. They want something for nothing.

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krw

Move.

...but it *is* an option. There is always an option.

I have DSL (3MB down, 3B up). Yes, I also have satellite as an option. An expensive option but an option nonetheless.

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krw

You guys are all missing the real issue. The feds want to TAX the internet as a utility regulated by the FCC. Just like the wireline pstn that are shrinking because of cell and internet services.

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Tom Miller

Damn it all to f*ck!! I really HATE that background babble when one is supposedly reading text. The pictures above the text seem to be constantly changing as well, thank screen size for keeping that shit invisible.

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Robert Baer

...and it will only get worse.

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Robert Baer

Yes. It is unusual that we agree on something.

I don't know about that. In the UK at least the cell based coverage for

3G and in cities for 4G is holding up pretty well. I actually think it would make more sense for the internet have nots to be provided with directional 3G antenna that lay down a ribbon of roadside coverage.

An analogy that the people who are railing against paying might be able to understand is that network water pressure would fall disastrously if everyone insisted on turning on every tap in the house simultaneously.

My 3G at home is 5Mbps and faster than my wired ADSL 4Mbps. I have been toying with the idea of a directional antenna and having a 20Mbps 3G connection to the local base station instead of ADSL. Recent service improvements have put this on the back burner but it is possible.

An alternative is to pay a distant neighbour to get an FTTC ADSL service and use a line of sight microwave link to bridge it. I am wary of how much climbing up and down his barn might be needed for this.

Seems reasonable to me.

I thought in the USA local phone calls were free so the internet on dialup was essentially free there (as it also was in Hull in the UK).

Something for nothing (or at least for the fixed price contract) is OK provided that the demand is not excessive. But everyone suffers if the exchange backhaul is swamped by endless video on demand sessions.

It was never a problem on a geeks only 56k modem but it is on FTTC

75Mbps which is three orders of magnitude faster and to most end users.

Traffic shaping is probably the way forward but the punters will squeal!

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Like we were with Microsoft? They screwed the entire planet and artificially inflated everything.

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DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

They were never Netflix's bits. They are *my* bits that I have paid Netflix to send to me.

Why can't I just pay Comcast for the Comcast service of delivering my bits to my computer? That is what they are advertising that they sell.

Totally on point. More competition will mean better service.

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rickman

Actually, they could use a delivery model like Fedex. The recipients of Internet data pay nothing. All the costs are borne by the content providers. Then Comcast would have to provide service to everyone as would all the other delivery services. Lots of duplication.

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rickman

Yeah, that's what they should do. Like Fedex. You pay to have your bits delivered to the end user. The rest of us pay nothing.

What does consumer choice have to do with it?

Wait, that's more like the phone companies. You pay for placing calls and on cell phones anyway, you pay for receiving calls. Hmmm... like what crazy is suggesting.

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rickman

Of course you're wrong. You're paying to use them. Comcast isn't being paid to transport them. That's the issue.

Because you *aren't* paying for streaming. Comcast doesn't figure that in your bill.

Wrong, as always. "Net Neutrality" will *kill* the Internet. You're pal, Obummer wants it dead.

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krw

They could but idiot lefties, like you, would pitch a fit.

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krw

That's a different, though certainly important issue.

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krw

Well, it is pretty cold in Boston. ;-0

Streaming?

Like a commercial during Jack Par. ;-)

I'm in a similar situation but with a 4GB limit (two phones) that's not a solution. I thought about it.

Licensing?

Nope. It depends on the state and tariffs negotiated between the telco and the state PUC.

If the demand is *known* and somewhat uniform. Else someone is getting a lunch bought by everyone else.

It was a problem at 56K because the telco didn't expect as many phones to be in use, for so long.

Or charge by the bit. I'd squeal, than.

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krw

Well for one, I'm not sure it's "competition" if the carriers are picking winners and losers.

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mpm

On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 4:09:10 PM UTC-5, Jon Elson wrote: < Most of the

Most of the US, or most of the population? The FCC releases an annual report on competiveness in both wireless and cable. I don't recall reading or hearing anything about large swaths of populations served by only one provider. That's certainly true if you include satellite companies (which I gather is not what you're saying).

That said, "yes", there are places where competition is minimal or maybe even non-existent, but it's not as big a problem as one might imagine.

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mpm

Don't forget --- another problem carriers (cable, wireless, etc..() have to deal with is the explosion in data consumption. It is not possible to upg rade an entire network at once (having thousands of nodes), nor it is econo mically viable at the outset. This equipment, and throughput capability, i s amortized. It's the same issue as with underseas fiber optic cables - ta kes YEARS to make a profit.

THAT's why everyone's got their hand out!!

And of course, another problem is whether the equipment vendors can even ro ll enough product off their assembly lines in a reasonable period of time t o support such expansions.

I wonder what will happen when super-high res 4D (HDTV) video takes hold?

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The people who pay Comcast for bandwidth is their customers. I pay for

50 mbps; I get about 10.

They are certainly not going to charge themselves for content. Comcast is, in most places, a monopoly regulated utility, like electricity and water. Only one company gets to dig up the streets and provide cable here.

Comcast is in the business of delivering content. They need content. They should be paying Netflix for providing content that they can sell, content that makes their customers want more bandwidth.

Ideally, AT&T and Dish and Google will compete with Comcast, and then they will all be begging the content providers to provide content that requires tons of bandwidth.

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John Larkin

The FCC chairman proposed regulation-lite, just enough rules to keep the providers playing fair. The Obama creeps ratched it up.

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