Radio delay to sync with TV video

Dec 21, 2004 25 Replies

Ok, posted in electronics.basics but no response:



Anybody have a simple circut to do this?



I love listening to our local radio announcers for the game while watching the video. However, the radio broadcast is a good 4-5 seconds before the HDTV video.


So I want to delay a radio broadcast by 4-5 seconds. I would imagine I would run the tape out to the delay unit, back into the tape in, and listen in a monitor mode. A pot that would allow me to change the dlay from, say, 0-10 seconds would be beneficial.



Thx!


Perhaps Don gets very special cable.

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

Just use a long piece of coaxial cable.

0.7 nanoseconds per foot.
Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 voice: (928)428-4073 email: don@tinaja.com Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

One over ??

...Jim Thompson

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Making an analog audio delay line with a bunch of caps and coils might be fun, though.

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

The only MIT grad that I knew told me they always looked forward to playing against WPI, because then they could get there scoring equipment fixed by people who could actually recognize a soldering iron.

Was that the case when you were there?

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

Faster than a speeding bullet ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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When I was a student at MIT we had some special coax in the Transmission Lines Lab. Its center conductor was a coil so that the effective inductance per foot was quite large. I can't quite recall now, but I believe it may have had a delay of about 100uS per foot, making delay experiments into non-matched loads a piece-a-cake.

...Jim Thompson

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I had a full scholarship covering tuition and books. But I had to cover room and board. So I worked as a technician in Building 20 (but I already had some experience... my dad had a radio/TV repair shop and a hardware store.

But most everyone I hung out with at the very least built their own kits. (Except for the PhD's who needed help wiping ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Tape loop should work, but you adjust the delay by changing the spacing between the heads. I don't remember what the cassette tape speed is, but around 1 ips. So, the spacing would have to be around 4 - 5 inches.

You could do it electronically with an A/D, D/A converters and some storage. For 20 KHz sampling rate you would need 80 - 100 Kwords of storage. Probably easier to do it in hardware than sticking a micro in it. Essentially a FIFO, where you write in and read out with the same clock, but you don't start reading out until the desired number of samples have been stored.

Tam

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but you could diy with a audio ADC, big chunk of 16bit memory, a few counters and audio DAC. Not a beginners project

martin

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DOH, why didnt I think of that!

martin

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following Allans post

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martin

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storing the 1,227,600 miles of cable might be a problem though!

Jim Backus OS/2 user since 1994 bona fide replies to j backus jita demon co uk

Unfortunately I don't have a PC in the area of the audio equipment.

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Tape? What's that? ;-)

I found the following IC

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Allows for 2 seconds of delay, so I'm sure I could hook up 3 in series to accomplish this task... Maybe I'll get it done for next football season!

= PC + soundcard + software

The hardware is trivial, but the software is not a beginners project.

Regards, Allan

This is not very practical.

Instead, modulate a laser diode and run the laser light through fiber optic cable. The resulting 5 billion or so feet of fiber will be much more manageable than the corresponding coax delay line.

You might still need a couple of repeaters.

--Mac

Back in the good old days when the BBC started up Radio1, the "pop" channel the designs dept came up with an audio compressor that had a

1mSec LC audio delay line in the signal path so that the gain control element did not have to change rapidly, eliminating a lot of pumping that you get with fast attack times.

martin

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Bounce the HDTV signal off the moon. Move moon for best sound.

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