Phew - what a scorcher (tm) !

I wonder who wrote all of those simulators. Just because something "came from the computer model", doesn't mean it's accurate.

What if, for example, their computer models are as reliable as, say, Microsoft Windows?

;-) Rich

The conclusion would be that end of the world is nigh.

Graham

Eugh...where'd you put your message? (look down)

Tim

-- Deep Fryer: a very philosophical monk. Website:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

...Two pages down, don't see it...and s*it, that's just past the header stuff...

...Not yet at four...

"Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@doubleclick.net...

Ahem, see highlight.

Well, I haven't had a total-fuckover-BSoD crash in XP yet (a couple months usage). This computer has been on continuously for weeks, to the best of my knowledge. Reliability is evidently far surpassing my internet connection, as my connections show me as coming online yesterday (about 25 hours ago at this time). Under 98SE, I always shut (er...pastense...shat?) down every night, partly because I don't need the damn thing at night, and partly because 98 simply needs to reboot every so often to shake off the cockroaches. OTOH, it is more of a hassle to shut down/boot up this thing, which is why I keep it on now.

Tim

Ah! There was a TV show on Discovery (I think) a while ago listing various things due to the last mini-ice-age (~1200-1600 A.D.). Among them, the Stratovarius (sp) violins, where the cool climate caused slow growth and tight rings in the trees, improving acoustics; a bunch of other things, but I can't remember them.

The climate in this warming cycle is probably going to be uneven, yes, but that probably wouldn't be a problem with new agricultural practice. If you keep the fields in good condition on the bad years (cf. robust original midwest prarie to 1930's dustbowl), they may even be better, since things could move around and fertilize naturally (cf. ancient Egypt, where seasonal floods produced the "breadbasket of the world"). This would depend on claiming more total area for the same cultivation. It would be interesting if artifical fertilizers could be reduced or eliminated between crop rotation and seasonal flooding/erosion. Other consequences: lots of people will have to migrate, which people always hate. They could stay, air conditioning is always available...if expensive, depending on energy costs. Perhaps wind and water sources will become more economic, especially with progressing enviro-whacko and energy cost issues as they are going.

Tim

Iv'e heard the "but" argument, but there is always a comma before the "and" or "or" in a list with more than two elements. ;-)

I'd

part per liter.

That's right, and this is OK too.

John

I see on the news that France has just set another high.

"Global Warming" my bum We (in NZ) have just had our coldest June for

Barry Lennox

=============================================== Consider time at a scale of 1mm equalling 1000 years.

For most of the length of a couple of football fields the earth's climate has been much warmer than the present with little or no ice at the poles and Nothofagus (beech) forests growing in Antarctica.

Two and a half metres from the goal line the world's climate cools and goes into the Pleistocene ice age. We are still in it.

In the last half meter there have been four or five warming and cooling cycles each about 100,000 years or 100 millimetres long.

Two millimetres back the Roman Empire was extant. One millimetre back the Normans invaded Britain.

On the basis of dubious data recovered in the last 50 microns the global warmers predict disaster for the human race during the next 50 microns.

Global warming/cooling/climate change IS the norm for this planet we call home. It isn't unusual, an anomally, or something that's only started happening in the last 200-300 years.....

The 'near religious' beliefs of those that claim the human species is responsible for climate change/global warming/cooling and that only the human species can do anything to stop it happening relies mostly on the an unquestioned acceptance of very limited data, computer modeling that's designed to prove an unprovable theory, some researchers with a hidden agenda. and shock headlines of the news media... ===================================================