Phew - what a scorcher (tm) !

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Yes. Things like large volcanic eruptions can cause even decade long cold periods for example.

The oscillation is known about. It's what causes the ice ages. It's very long term.

Whilst the system is indeed largely self-righting and heavily damped it does allow fluctuations akin perhaps to hunting.

I think your premise about what environmentalists are saying was incorrect in the first instance actually.

Graham

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We have a twice weekly open market here in my home town btw.

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Indeed. How many ppl do that in your estimation ?

I've grown tomatoes here in my back garden. In the open too. The yellow ones were especially nice.

Unfortunately my neighbour's grown a hedge that cuts out a lot of the sunlight exactly where the soil is most fertile ( contains old ashes from the open fire ) so it's no longer so suitable.

Graham

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Eeyore

No, it follows from using multi-million-dollar super-computers and loading them up with fiendishly complex models and mind- boggling measured datasets, and letting them run. It follows from comparing the results of these runs with contemporary measurements. That's what creates strong belief systems among atmospheric scientists. You can nay-say, but nature will win.

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Winfield Hill

Look up Younger Dryas

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Bob Eld

Yes ;-)

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Despite the bucolic atmosphere, some of the stuff in those places is trucked in from far away.

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I was just there last month and from the amount of irrigation I saw they could be growing rice or sugar cane.

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gfretwell

Yup. I prefer frozen petite peas, but we get most everything else fresh.

Can't say. I guess a lot of people buy frozen stuff, espacially in places where less fresh stuff is available. And some people just eat junk.

We grow meyer lemons and some herbs, but our property is only 24 feet wide, so large cash crops aren't too practical.

It's seasonal. In the winter and spring, a lot of stuff, like grapes and peaches and melons and such, come from South America, even if they are sold in the "farmer's market." About now is high season, so local fruits and veggies are great and cheap. In another month or so, the cranberry beans will start coming in from Half Moon Bay, and the season is short, so I'll cook up a few big pots of beans and freeze batches to see us through the winter.

The bananas are seldom local! But the kiwis are.

John

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John Larkin

When our cream clots, we throw it away. And why do they call it creme fraiche, when it's not? And how come salad cream doesn't have any cream in it?

John

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John Larkin

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Is it an oscillation? I thought it was more orbital dynamics, external input.

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Has anybody listed the *good* things that will result from global warming? All I've heard about is catastrophe.

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I suspect this is something else. Or you were pulling my leg.

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" In the United States, clotted cream is usually sold in specialty stores with the label 'Devon Double Cream' "

lol !

Better ask Heinz. I prefer mayonnaise anyway.

Graham

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periods for

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Maybe you're right. Time to look into it more.

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It's unlikely to be much good here. If we lose the gulf stream, the UK's going to have much more severe weather that'll trash our agriculture for one.

Graham

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Eeyore

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Yes it is, about 45 minutes away. There are some huge farms between here and Orlando. Also, there are some large ranches that raise cattle for both milk and beef. There are pig farms for pork, and a lot of packing plants. The local flea market has a couple isles (About 100 spaces) reserved for produce dealers. A lot of locally grown food is sold there, as well as stuff that isn't grown locally. The fresh stuff is seasonal, of course, but its cheaper than what has to be trucked, and a lot fresher when available. You can barely move in those isles, and most vendors have large trucks parked behind their spaces to keep refilling their tables all weekend. Some of them raise a lot of what they sell, except for the pineapples and bananas. Why truck in food with all the sun we get in central Florida?

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I have no idea, but with so many places selling it, and it being hard to find a place to park at any of them would suggest that a lot of people buy fresh produce. We have a huge retirement community just south of here and a lot of the people spend their time shopping. It doesn't matter what it is, they have to be on the roads and in every store looking at and buying everything in sight.

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My favorites are the large red ones bred for good flavor, yet firm enough to slice thin for sandwiches, and Italian sauce tomatoes for my homemade vegetable soup and chili.

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I grow some of them in planters so I can move them around, as needed. I have a lead on a factory that makes plywood and other timber products that gives away the rejects to non profits and charities. They gave a local youth group a couple skids of reject 2*4s and plywood for projects. I want to build a bunch of shelves and some drop boxes for donations to local veterans groups, and if anything is left I want to build a small greenhouse off of my kitchen.

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Michael A. Terrell

Let's hear it for nature !!!!

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Sugar beets, yes; cane, no.

We are the world's largest producer of SuPima cotton... the type that typically ends up in men's shirts.

We also produce most of the *eating* citrus. Florida dominates in juice only.

Still quite a bit of beef feed lots, though that's way down due to urban sprawl.

We'll probably soon pass The Bay Area in high tech businesses. Everyone is moving here to avoid the Californication ;-)

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I did. I don't know what these guys have to do with climate change and I'm a jazz fan and not much into country.

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Wes Stewart

Clouds have albedo, too.

John

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John Larkin

Good one!

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Bob Eld

Apparently, about 100,000 years:

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