I particularly like the last two paragraphs of their response letter.
The "patents" confirm my prejudice that USPTO would patent anything without question if your dollars are green and in sufficient quantity.
-- Regards, Martin Brown
BOB, YOUR COMMENT IS QUITE LITERALLY PRICESS ADVICE !!!
Not to derail the thread, but I just want to mention I recently replaced my iPod Nano as it was starting to have trouble after many years of use.
I bought one made by Plenue (on a whim), but I have to say it has fantastic audio. I might even re-sample some of my library?
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A couple hundred bucks.
You may have just shot yourself in the foot there with both barrels.
If it is a new idea (which I doubt) then there are certainly people here who could beat you to the patent. You have in effect disclosed the invention although not its implementation.
Been there a couple of time having a careless conversation in a pub which led to a rival outfit competing against us with a near clone product. Once effectively gave away a patent to a namesake working in the same company (everyone that mattered knew it was my idea). The guy didn't quite understand the trick either so I knew if needed to I could get another patent for the complete design that I had intended.
Perhaps but it is probably wise to digitise vinyl or shellac records when you play them because every playing increases the wear and tear. There is an incredible amount of very old stuff being digitised from multiple copies of the same performance to improve the SNR.
-- Regards, Martin Brown
Pretty sure I've seen patents issued where the device being patented relies on technology that doesn't exist yet. e.g. maybe it was Sony who patented a "holographic 3D television" which relied on a "holographic emitter" of unknown design.
Or a patent on a warp-capable spacecraft where the drive unit specification was like
he recording chain long before it gets to the vinyl... "
Not on older material. They have been known to take their millions and spen d a few bucks at second hand stores etc., in fact they also get some vintag e equipment there at times. I mean things for ten bucks and can sell for a thousand.
Most of the vinyl I have is too old to be digitized. And others also like t he old version, like ZZ Top - LaGrange. There is a new and old version and they are different. One thing, when they remaster things they think they kn ow how to use effects and mix it better than the original. We don't like th at. Not that I am all that adamant about the field but I do like original t hings. Like having a Porsche instead of a replicar.
In a bit different way it seems.
, the needle's angle towards the record changes a bit (not a digital bit ee ehh) so the left right channels assignment changes. "
Not really much, the separation does suffer though.
'd think. you compensate left versus right gain? "
If that happens there is a ton of distortion due to insufficient tracking f orce or a mechanical fault in the cartridge.
I believe I would lose to much market doing that. Some of them NEVER listen to digital, except maybe in their car or garage or whatever.
hat sort of sounds anyways, who has it? "
I do and so do many of them.
s. Were also used as monitors in the studio control room."
I never was able to find a pair of those I could afford. For some reason pe ople want MONEY for those. I saw the print for those, well some, they got t his delay line in there that feeds concentric electrodes to make it sound l ike the sound is emanating from behind the speaker. I would almost trade gu ns for a pair of those.
745 tracks on this PC.e "Yeah, 160K is good enough for my ears these days. I have much more than tha t but I would have to go down to my other PC that is like a server. Windows doesn't seem to want to give me that info through the network. But I was t he King of downloaders and not once got a virus. That was mainly because of the software I used - called Bearshare. It read out the specs on MP3 befor e you even download them. If it didn't give e the bitrate I shunned the fil e, except for certain things that were really hard to get. Then I opened th em on old media player classic, which plays the music and nothing more, no metadata or any of that shit. Once it played it was deemed fairly safe, tho ugh I ran AVG on the whole box once in a while.
I still kinda like the sound of vinyl, but I am not spending 50 grand on a setup to listen to the 4 decent albums I have.
Design it and build it and I will sidestep your patent just enough. I can get them to buy from me.
jurb wrote
Yes, there are many ways to tinker with the audio...
I was referring to eccentricity, say the hole in the record not being in the middle of the tracks. Then you get sideways forces tilting the needle away from vertical, and the LR changes. That effect would be locked to the rotation, rpm. There is also up and down, not all vinyl I had was flat...
I have some cheap speakers and a huge 300 W stage amplifier... The bass speaker is even disconnected (so the neighbors have a life). I do have a rather big collection of earpieces, and a good Sennheiser headphone.
)I have seen them on ebay years ago, some with refurbished membrane if that is the right word, I like audio but indeed for that many dollars you can do fun other things. Also I am much older now and high frequency hearing is not to 18 kHz as it once was,
10 kHz probably already way down.I could tell if the 15625 Hz sync of the monitors was in sync or not... No, no absolute hearing, but that one worked.
I run Linux only, never had a problem with music files doing things to my system.
Agreed.
I see there is still some on ebay:
Well, I could certainly be wrong about that. I've certainly seen provisionals cited in district court cases and IPRs, but on reflection I'm not sure whether or not they were part of the prosecution history of an issued patent.
If the examiner finds it, it prevents somebody else from patenting his invention. Not perfect protection, but something.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs>
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
Well, I've prosecuted over forty patents, and that's not my experience. Examiners can be pretty ornery, and it's generally difficult to persuade them that they're wrong about something.
The main issue IME is that the PTO expects examiners to spend only about
8 hours total on each application, so if they don't find the right prior art references pretty quickly, they won't get the examination right. Also of course the technology in many applications is pretty complicated, and examiners can't be expert in everything.Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
I think the worst thing that happened to digital audio is lossy compression, and is probably the source of the bad rep for digital.
The FLAC thing makes sense.
-- Cheers, Chris.
Perfection is the enemy of good enough. Without lossy compression we couldn't afford the products/services we take for granted.
If you have unlimited bandwidth and money. It helps to be trying to impress someone, too.
I realise what you meant. My bad.
NT
or want a patent.
or art at least enough to prevent someone else from patenting my design ?"
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o it's mostly down to how valuable is it. Valuable game changer patents hav e targets painted on them for everyone to shoot at - nothing dissuades thos e except a legal team & plenty of visible funds.
Then it takes the funds to pursue the whole process. And that a lot of inve ntors don't have & can't do.
Right, which is the point of leveraging NPEs or the more sporting law firms who'll do it on contingency. You need a level-headed assessment of the actual value of your patent (which most small inventors tend to inflate very much) and some entrepreneurial hustle, but it's far from impossible nowadays.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
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Very interesting. Thank you - to everyone in this thread.
NT
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