OT: Sybil Waugh II?

ZeroHedge being as psychotic as ever. Trump got in in 2016 - with a very narrow margin - with quite a lot of Russian intervention , which means he falls short of ever being a duly elected president. He has just be duly un-elected, and seems to be having trouble coming to terms with the fact.

Cursitor Doom just loves lunatic right-wing conspiracy theories - the more lunatic the better - so he's going along with Trump's fantasies about having his "victory" stolen from him.

Next pictures you will see is these people laid out on a slab in the morgue with their heads blown clean off by a 50-cal sniper round.

A good ol' boy comes to the realization the cops work for whomever is writing their checks.

This blue-line "We support police" stuff is going to dry up faster than a white Boston liberal pulls the black lives matter signs off their lawn.

Check this out. As the entirely peaceful pro-Trump demo broke up, Antifa thugs arrived to attack the demonstrators. They even attacked a mother trying to protect her child; how low can they go?

This sort of thing CANNOT be tolerated.

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narrow margin - with quite a lot of Russian intervention , which means he falls short of ever being a duly elected president.

terms with the fact.

re lunatic the better - so he's going along with Trump's fantasies about ha ving his "victory" stolen from him.

More right-wing provocateurs. They will even pose as "Antifa thugs" to get the kind of publicity they want.

Quite what kind of labels they stick on themselves to get labelled "Antifa" is an interesting question - "antifascist" is an umbrella label for a lose and informal collection of left-wing activitists, and presumably it is the observer who has labelled them "Antifa", since they'd probably call themse lves something more specific which wouldn't be recognised by kind of right- wing loon like Cursiotr Doom who is the inteded audience.

There you go: fixed it for you.

fa" is an interesting question - "antifascist" is an umbrella label for a l ose and informal collection of left-wing activists, and presumably it is th e observer who has labelled them "Antifa", since they'd probably call thems elves something more specific which wouldn't be recognised by kind of right

-wing loon like Cursiotr Doom who is the intended audience.

Cursitor Doom snipped "leftwing activists" without marking the snip and su bstituted

"America-hating left-wing lunatics, anarchists, Marxists and vandals " whic h may be what he understands by Antifa - and perhaps this is what ZeroHedge would like him to understand, - but does happens to be wishful thinking .

The people who get lumped together as antifascist don't hate America - they just want to change it a bit, for the better (which wouldn't be all that d ifficult or painful). They aren't Marxists - he's dead, and while he had a lot of useful insights when he was young, he did get swept up - late in lif e - by the idea of the "leading role pf the party" which means that he went from being a democrat to endorsing a particular sort of oligarchy, which t urned out to be a very bad idea, as illustrated by Soviet Russia, who spent quite a bit of effort trying to turn Marxism into a sort of theology.

Some of the Antifa actvists might be anarcho-syndicalists - Noam Chomsky se ems to be one, and Naomi Klein another - but that doesn't make them anarchi sts. Anarcho-syndicalists, don't want anarchy but rather locally regulated government - the philosophy underlies the cooperative movement, who don't t hrow grenades at anybody.

"Vandals" is just a broad-spectrum insult, like "anarchists".

In the sense of inserting a chunk of right-wing nonsense that made you happ ier. It didn't address my point, which is how your observer decided that th e people he didn't like were Antifa.

Oh really? Then how do you account for this sort of behaviour?

They don't want to change it "a bit" they want to tear up the Constitution and burn everything to the ground. And I mean

If by "better" you mean turn it into a pile of smoking rubble then sure.

Who the hell *else* would they be??

ue with their heads blown clean off by a 50-cal sniper round.

Not exactly a cheery thought on a Sunday morning. What snipers are shootin g 50-cal rounds in DC? I would think that to be rather difficult... and li ve. Hell, I got pulled over once for driving in the direction of the White House with dead tags from another state... Cameras are watching everywhere . They wouldn't let me drive the car, so I had to have it towed to MD. I would imagine a 50-cal round being fired off would be noticed. lol

No body is going to be shot for protesting. One of the things that makes t his country great is how our leaders welcome open dissent and discussion of different viewpoints. That's how Trump feels, right?

Ha! Only in the dream world you inhabit, I'm sorry to say.

ome open dissent and discussion of different viewpoints.

There's dissent and different viewpoints, and then there are rabid lunatic s. Cursitor Doom is a rabid lunatic, and gets unhappy when other rabid luna tic are ignored. The real world most of us inhabit may not appeal to Cursit or Doom, but he'd become decidedly unhappy if his environment got infested with people as dedicated to their lunacies as he is to his own.

The problem with dream worlds is that there a lot of them, and none of them are quite the same.

I have seen more youtube video's on this subject than is good for me. I find Glenn Kirchner's video's ("justice matters") educational.

Apparently: It is bad enough for your reputation as a lawyer to loose cases. It is quite another thing to get scoffed by a judge for even bringing on a case without merit, and get "thrown out of court".

There are court hearings like: Judge: So you claim there is fraud? Trump lawyer: Uh ... Judge: Do you claim there is fraud or not? Trump lawyer: No. Judge: Then what you are doing here! Note that it doesn't even proceed to the point that evidence is considered. They have no evidence to present or consider. Judges take themselves seriously, and they probably should. This situation forces the lawyer to retract. That means there is no case, no appeal, and certainly no involvement of the Supreme Court.

There are good indications that the rumours about fraud is merely a scam to get poor Trump voters to give him money. They don't read the fine print, and do not realize that most of the money can be used by Trump personally as he sees fit.

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(Apparently you are the one promoting bull s*it. Spending a couple of days on you tube video's from both sides apparently has made me more knowledgable about the US judicial system than the average US citizen.) Thrown out of court is a term legal professionnals use if a judge refuse to consider the evidence and/or do a ruling because it is evidently without merit. A more official legal term is "frivolous". Now let's consider the 30+ Trump fraud complaints. For now they are rejected, but there is still some appeal possible. What is appealed is the refusal of the lower court to hear the case or in a particular example, to rephrase the complaint for a third or fourth time and then reconsider the the case. What is *not* appealed is the ruling that there is no fraud, those cases have nowhere advanced to that point. You are right that this refusal can be appealed. Now assume this decision is overruled. That only means the case is heard for a second time by the lower court, then it may be dismissed again and even if the lower court is willing to consider the evidence, and do a ruling that ruling will be against the plaintive probably. A judge who says: " even if .. that would not be sufficient to invalidate a single vote, let alone all votes from the sixth's most populous state of the US" is not likely to rule in favour of the complaint if he is forced to rule in the case. Apparently you buy into Trump's idea that his appointed judges have to do his bidding. Everybody is thankful that "law and order" means something to those judges, and so should you.

To elaborate on what it takes for the dismissal to be overruled: The decision to throw a case out, can be appealed to a state court, then it may be appealled to the Supreme Court. You may make it seem that some one like Trump (i.e. with enough money) can always force the Supreme Court to make a ruling. That is not true. They are in the habit of not even considering frivolous cases, and they trust the lower appelate courts to throw those cases out for them or they wouldnt't even have time to go to the bathroom. Note the "best" (for the viewers worst) and extremely unlikely outcome is that the lower judge is forced to make a ruling against the fraud complaint.

Last but not least, it is dangerous for a law firm to engage in frivolous cases. They may be disbarred. That is the reason that respectable law firms have terminated their involvement with the Trump's fraud complaints, and he has to rely on Guliani who has not done this for decades, and apparently makes rooky mistakes. As in the example in my post.

I let that stand. To shame you.

Glenn Krichner uses the term "laughed" out of court". I'm pretty sure that is not a legal term, but the meaning should be clear.

I should not reply to top posters, here are some relevant part of my original message.

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As an impartial observer with no axe to grind on this issue either way, it's obvious to me that Trump has been the victim of truly MASSIVE fraud against him by the usual suspects. This 'election' has been a travesty and a coup by the deep state to install the usurper Biden in the WH for the next four years. How they can pull this off with straight faces is the only impressive quality about them. Anyone with any sense at all can see what's really going on here (which excludes most of the posters to this thread).

Cursitor Doom is not an impartial observer. He wants to see some massive co nspiracy, and while he hasn't got enough imagination to invent his own, he' s happy to latch onto fantasies invented by other people.

all the usurper Biden in the WH for the next four years.

Only in Cursitor Dooms' far-right fantasy land.

ality about them.

All the voters that voted for Biden rather than Trump did so with straight faces. There are good reasons for voting against somebody who has declined to do anything effective to slow down the spread on Covid-19 in the US. Cur sitor Doom can't recognise any of them, because that would mean thinking ab out the real world where 285,550 Americans have died so far of a disease th at Trump has repeatedly assured them will "just go away".

excludes most of the posters to this thread).

Anyone with a passion for particularly bizarre conspiracy theories might be able to see it. For the rest of us, who don't practice believing six impos sible things before breakfast, it's fatuous nonsense.

Of course I'm impartial. I do not reside in the US and had no entitlement to vote, neither will I have to spend the next four years under the jackboot of a Globalist who *detests* the country he's being entrusted to govern.

Trump was perfectly correct and it *will* "just go away" in due time. The correct strategy in order not to bankrupt the nation is to encourage the elderly and vulnerable to self-isolate until it all blows over whilst the economically productive continue their daily lives unimpeded whilst a vaccine is developed. The US has been fortunate indeed to have been under the stewardship of Trump during the China Plague Year - and we're about to see the alternative tactics of an arch Globalist if the USSC proves impotent - and it won't end well for anyone other than the anarchist mobs of BLM (who of course enjoy your fulsome support as repeatedly evidenced here).

He's even more impartial than he thinks - if one can dignify what he does b y calling it thinking.

To be partial , you must have some idea of which side you fancy, and whose side you are going to be on, and Cursitor Doom hasn't got a clue about what either side is actually about, and seems to believe the right-wing drivel he keeps on spouting.

ht faces. There are good reasons for voting against somebody who has declin ed to do anything effective to slow down the spread on Covid-19 in the US. Cursitor Doom can't recognise any of them, because that would mean thinking about the real world where 285,550 Americans have died so far of a disease that Trump has repeatedly assured them will "just go away".

It will take mass vaccination to get it to go away in the USA. In better ma naged countries it has already gone away, for all practical purposes, and k illed a lot fewer people in the process.

the elderly and vulnerable to self-isolate until it all blows over whilst t he economically productive continue their daily lives unimpeded whilst a vaccine is developed.

It isn't. Taiwan is about the only fully fledged example of the correct str ategy, and they lost 0.3 ppm to Covid-19. Australia locked down for a coupl e of months, and got rid of the virus for all practical purposes and it has n't remotely bankrupted the country. Australia has lost 35 ppm dead to Covi d-19 - about 30ppm of them were due to the quarantine screw-up in the state of Victoria. New Zealand did better - they are still at 5 ppm deaths, and they aren't bankrupt either

rump during the China Plague Year -

That's a hoot. Trump was hopelessly inept at managing the Covid-19 epidemic , but he's scarcely unique in that - Belgium has done worse, so far.

he USSC proves impotent - and it won't end well for anyone other than the anarchist mobs of BLM (who of course enjoy your fulsome support as repeate dly evidenced here).

The US Supreme Court isn't going to bother to try to save Trump's bacon - w hy should they bother? He lost the election, and no amount of crying fraud is going to change that.

You may not like Biden or his politics - he''s not remotely irrational enou gh to appeal to you - but he will almost certainly do a better job than Tru mp, mainly because it would be difficult to do worse.

Wittering on about Globalism and "Black Lives Matter" is what right-wing ni twits do - nobody sane takes any of it seriously.

How does he know that? Tuberculosis, influenza, malaria have had lots of time, and have NOT gone away. Polio, smallpox, measles are held down, but are only 'away' in the sense that I'm not seeing them locally. Trump was making things up. Lying, is another word for that.

While that is a possible strategy, it is not an entire solution. Lives matter, even if the economy is "healthy". We aren't creatures of the economy, we're creatures of flesh and blood.

We do, and we should, act accordingly.

Really? No one sane takes it seriously when their hard worked-for family business gets advanced on by a crowd of anarchists hell bent on looting and firebombing? And the defenders have their very necessary weapons confiscated by the courts??