[OT] NASA, NOAA Analyses Reveal Record-Shattering Global Warm Temperatures in 2015

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:55:25 GMT, Jan Panteltje Gave us:

Zero intelligence retarded twit. Him and you.

Panteltje is a member of our ignorati class... just killfile and enjoy the quiet >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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On a sunny day (Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:02:42 -0800 (PST)) it happened snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in :

You are hopeless.

I doubt it is possible to explain anything to you. So I do not try:-)

When Feinman was a kid, he and a friend sought out differential equations to solve.

In one of Jim Williams' books, there's a chapter on "Lightning Empiricism", the mostly-now-lost ability to do EE calculations instantly in one's head. The standard of excellence is way beyond what I can do; calculators and Wikipedia have ruined me.

Google "Lightning Empiricism"; it's cool.

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You're correct, it's not possible when half the information is missing. But anyway I didn't benefit much out of this exchange so sounds good to me :-)

On a sunny day (Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:25:35 -0800 (PST)) it happened snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in :

sounds, got text to sound on? what information? Nothing is missing. :-)

Little doubt about that. Some fraction of human-generated CO2 stays in the atmosphere, with a roughly 30 year decay half-life.

That experiment is absurd, a Gorean deception. 400 PPM CO2 in the atmosphere is not a tank filled with 1,000,000 PPM CO2.

The ecology that is "disrupted" is the proliferation of plants that have been essentially starved of CO2.

And we have this thing called "evolution" that lets critters adapt to far more radical conditions than a small pH change.

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Careful with that. You know he was announced in the late night show as 'the last president of the US'? I'm sure you know what that means.

joe

Or better, your lover? You sneaky net-copper you...

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joe

Yeah I got text-to-sound on----(roll eyes) At least my spelling/grammar was correct. I didn't correct you when you used the incorrect form of to/too/two earlier.

If you really want to know:

All what "those coal plants"? Globally? Half killed what people? And what does "half killed" mean?

And I thought you were one that would claim emitting greenhouse gasses don't matter. And so what if it snowed in DC? It happens. Haven't you seen snow before?

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does this nicely coincide with increased fossil fuel consumption, the ratio s of CO2 isotopes in the air point towards the source being primary of pla nt origin, i.e. coal and oil. All that CO2 released by burning fuel goes s omewhere.

oven long ago, and can be shown by filling one clear tank with CO2, and the other with air, and pointing a heat lamp on both.

No it's not, but it's not difficult to imagine that even seemingly "small" changes in compositions and percentages in a large system such as the Earth will have bigger consequences.

ch disrupts the ecology in those bodies of water.

I hear this argument all the time. For example, the Earth was warmer durin g the time of the dinosaurs, and CO2 levels were higher at one time. That' s true, but it takes a long, long time for ecosystems to adjust, not to men tion things are perhaps not so pleasant during this transition. Life will continue, but not necessarily as it is now and not necessarily how we have set up our economy to depend on it.

The operant word here is "imagine." What matters is the numbers.

Higher, as in 6000 PPM! Life flourished.

Evolution can be very rapid, especially with human help.

The climate has varied radically in the last few million years. The last big ice age ended just 10 or 15K years ago. The LIA is generally considered to have ended around 1850, and we're still recovering. There is no reason to expect that climate should be unchanging, or that it is somehow optimized for life on the planet just now, by some miracle.

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ly does this nicely coincide with increased fossil fuel consumption, the ra tios of CO2 isotopes in the air point towards the source being primary of plant origin, i.e. coal and oil. All that CO2 released by burning fuel goe s somewhere.

proven long ago, and can be shown by filling one clear tank with CO2, and the other with air, and pointing a heat lamp on both.

l" changes in compositions and percentages in a large system such as the Ea rth will have bigger consequences.

Does anyone really understand what exactly happens? The climate and ecosys tem stabilizes around various environmental factors. The example I've used before is this: cut someone's salary in half and see what happens. They'l l ultimately be Ok, but the initial shock will be painful. Or, what happen s to many lottery winners. Their life should be bliss, but instead so many of them go off the deep end.

What I'm trying to say is the ecosystem becomes stable based on the current environment. I'm referring to the food chain, rainfall, average local tem perature, river flows, sea level (major coastal city flooding), etc. If th ese factors are changed drastically, or in some cases, not so drastically, hardship ensues until things balance out again. This could take generation s or magnitudes more than that.

ring the time of the dinosaurs, and CO2 levels were higher at one time.

Yes, but this was a completely different world, not the world humans evolve d in. And not the world I'd be comfortable living in, with insects the siz e of large birds and numerous other issues the current animal population mi ght not be able to contend with.

It's optimized for the current biomes, because the biomes stabilized around it. If humans are indeed causing a more rapid than usual climate change, we'll just have a more severe, rapid change to contend with. And almost ce rtainly a lot of extinctions and disease breakouts in the process.

On a sunny day (Mon, 25 Jan 2016 09:28:34 -0800 (PST)) it happened snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in :

When I was a little kid, here in the Netherlands, in winter I would skate on ice. I once went through the ice, somehow got out, and went home with boots full of water.. Years later I remember going for a job interview when it was -30 C, and got off at the wrong bus stop, had to walk back a couple of miles, just jeans, those were stiff frozen from sweat I think, when I arrived, hard to talk when your mouth is frozen, got the job, met some old school mates, went to a restaurant.. some days. When I came home in the flat(ninth floor) the central heating pipes has burst frozen, and no heating... hello, But after that it got warmer and warmer, it is +9 C now and way above normal, had a about a week below zero, ended last Saturday.. I have camped out in the boonies just below the Canadian border, with just jeans, people used to ask me, I remember giving away my winter coat to some poor soul, never needed one. But I prefer a warmer climate. I have camped out in South Florida .. LOL, well sunburn, took weeks for my skin to heal.

Also maybe I do not take all that Oh and I camped out down under too .. and .. > glow ball worming to seriously. if you bothered to study climate change from millions of years ago, before there were many hummingbeans, you would find it was much hotter, there have been pole flips, the earth axis flipped, the poles were elsewhere, and guess what: them polar bears did not die, maybe those emigrated.

What we should do is bring as much energy online so we can handle the cold and warm periods, make a decent electrical grid that does not get knocked out every time a snowflake falls near it, and bring all nuculear energy online or standby we can. Because it is: GOING TO BE VERY COLD. The political manipulation by the current leaders is to obtain funding for themselves. Human made glow ball worming is insignificant compared to astrophysical effects, but taxing the weather seems to work for the masses. It is the same with electronics, you have screen rubbers on pods, and you have people who can build a radio from scratch. The jive about glow ball worming is just to keep them poly-ticksians in the media focus. They thrive on duality, changes, and the weather will always change in the short term, just what they need. What you have been spoon-fed in school and in the media by those who want to rob you via taxes using 'feel good I am helping the glow ball worming' what you buy of that is your piece of cake, your purse. But try looking at it in a scientific way and you see it is all bull +++. Not entirely impossible that glow ball worming deniers will be burned as witches one day... OTOH had it just been THAT little bit colder in Washington DC then you would have a had a gov change. So I keep at it :-) OTOH I did read they did unfreeze a person recently and he lived, lost some tones and a picky IIRC, so and reviving poly-ticsians .. your show.

On a sunny day (Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:23:22 +0000) it happened Joe Hey wrote in :

Be careful, 0bama could still be that one. But Trump is just business, and i like that. No false pretenses.

Sea level seems to be increasing 2 or 3 mm per year, roughly a foot per century. Temperature wobbles all over the place, slowly. Nothing happening lately is drastic. People, plants, animals, fish do fine from the tropics to the arctic. Critters are pretty tough.

The last ice age was pretty bad; another would kill off a good chunk of life on earth. Let's hope that doesn't happen again any time soon.

500 or 600 PPM is probably inevitable, and probably not bad, likely beneficial.

Maybe not, but evolution can be very rapid anyhow, and the current changes are small and slow.

Or maybe a lot of good things.

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:39:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje Gave us:

Except that you're a goddamned idiot who doesn't even have our language down yet, and you are obviously wholly clueless about what politics is much less about US politics.

during the time of the dinosaurs, and CO2 levels were higher at one time.

lved in. And not the world I'd be comfortable living in, with insects the size of large birds and numerous other issues the current animal population might not be able to contend with.

und it.

e'll just have a more severe, rapid change to contend with. And almost cer tainly a lot of extinctions and disease breakouts in the process.

Big maybe. It's like giving someone two choices: 1. keeps things like they are, or 2. 50/50 chance of getting $10M or having everything taken away. It's not a perfect example but the way I see it, it's something like that.

Assuming these are climate changes that are caused by human activity and sa ying "oh well maybe something good will come of this" is really venturing i nto the unknown, with no undo button.

Trump is scary, period. There's very little chance of him getting elected, and that's good.