OT: more on communism

Robert please go post this stuff on a politics or whatever group. I've seen other good groups turn to crap real quick when the politics/religion/AGW bullshit starts and all it needs is a seed.

regards.

"Robert Baer" schreef in bericht news:5bidnXk8BPe_1LLXnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@posted.localnet...

Since governments right across the ideological spectrum behave in exactly this way, Ferris ought to have been able to find a number of other names that would have fitted just as well. He appears to be both ignorant and stupid.

A more realistic way of looking at the situation is to see the government as the biggest and most successful protection racket around. If you fail to pay your protection money, they will send in their enforcers to remind you of the dangers that you would be exposed to if they withdrew their protection. The ideological justifications for this activity vary from regime to regime, but the behaviour remains constant.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Robert Baer wrote in news:5bidnXk8BPe_1LLXnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@posted.localnet:

socialism,communism;it's all a matter of degree.

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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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Europe, diehard communists? Certainly England.

Prime Minster Gormless Brown is an unrecontructed Stalinist. He was not elected to that position but appointed by a socialist "Nomenclatura". This ruling elite has been caught with its hands in the till and been thrashed in local and Euro elections last week. Despite calls for a general election the bar stewards hang on in there. A cabinet coup on Friday failed to oust Gormless as the cabinet minsters are unable to organise an escape from a wet paper bag.

In the Euro elections Labour manged just 8% of the vote in South West and South East England (covering 22% of the UK population) coming 5th in the polls in these areas.

Prime Minister, Chancellor of the Exchequer, both represent Scotland and our Great Leader, Gormless, has chosen as his deputy an unelected media manipulator who was appointed to the house of lords only last year.

Along with more surveillance camaras per capita than anywhere else in the world England is truly a land suffering a communist occupation.

SNIP

A communist is merely a socialist who lives in a commune.

Cheers! Rich

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Socialsist believe in democracy, communists believe in "the leading role of the party", so if you aren't a member of the party, you don't get to vote.

That looks like a qualitative difference to me, but then I've got the advantage over Jim Yanik that I actually know something about the subject.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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That would make Israel a communist state

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

The Tory MPs had their hands just as deeply into the till, and they did pretty well in the local and Euro elections, so the electorate doesn't seem to be all that interested in honesty.

The Tory leader - Cameron - was appointed by memebers of the Tory party who would seem to be a reactionary "Nomenclatura". He's got much better presentation skills that Gordon Brown, but - unlike Gordon - he doesn't have anything interesting to present. And why should he? The Tories have been out of power for ten years now, and people have at last started to forget what a disaster they were when they were last in power.

Not the way most commentators call it - if hs cabinet had got rid of him they'd have to call a more or less immediate general election to get a mandate for the new regime, and they'd be bound to lose.

If they hang onto Gordon they can stave of the election for another year. and the economy may well have picked up by then, helped by Gordon Brown's energetic pump-priming . You won't agree, but Paul Krugman got a Nobel Prize for Economics, and he likes Brown's performance

The collapse of the American housing market has driven the whole world into recession; British voters blame their government for the sins of American bankers. It's an irrational response, but that doesn't stop Tory sympathisers from touting it as vicotry for the Tories.

Peter Mandelson offends the Tory squires by being gay, having Jewish parents and being very good at media manipulation. Gordon Brown is terrible at media manipuation, and needs all the help that he can get. He's rather better at running the country. Tony Blair mostly had the sense to leave the running of the country to Gordon Brown - and when he didn't he bought into idiot schemes like the invasion of Irak.

David Cameron was equally gullible.

"Suffering"? You've obviously not had the benefit of living under a communist regime, nor spent any time in contact with people who have.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

My Paranoid Bill filter has expired, I'm seeing him again:(

Not quite. Those claiming money for non existant mortgages are all labour MPs. While MPs of all parties have claimed and been given expenses for absurd items, only labour MPs have, accidently or deliberately claimed money fraudulantly.

Different situation. Tony Blair said he would serve a third term as PM at the last general election. He didn't and Gormless Brown got the job without the consent of the electorate. Note Gormless was not the Deputy prime Minister so it was not even a case of the number 2 moving into the vacant position.

Milton Friedman is a Nobel prize winner but I dodn't expect you would agree with him. This isn't about AGW so please don't rake up random authorities to support your position.

No, we blame the Government for the level of government borrowing which is forecast to hit 16% of GDP per year, with £200 billion this year on a GDP of £2.1 trillion.

Of course many commentators don't believe the government will actually be able to borrow that much because no one will end them that much.

Peter Mandelson offends because he is as honest as a nine bob note (a

90 cent bill to Americans). When an MP he had to resign from the cabinet twice for his sins.

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In December 1998, it was revealed Mandelson had bought a home in Notting Hill in 1996 with the assistance of an interest-free loan of £373,000 from Geoffrey Robinson, a millionaire Labour MP who was also in the Government, but was subject to an inquiry into his business dealings by Mandelson's department

In January 2001, it was revealed Mandelson had phoned Home Office minister Mike O'Brien on behalf of Srichand Hinduja, an Indian businessman who was seeking British citizenship, and whose family firm was to become the main sponsor of the "Faith Zone" in the Millennium Dome. At the time, Hinduja and his brothers were under investigation by the Indian government for alleged involvement in the Bofors scandal.

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Britain runs a police system of autmatic number plate recognition.

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John Catt found himself on the wrong side of the ANPR system. He regularly attends anti-war demonstrations outside a factory in Brighton, his home town.

It was at one of these protests that Sussex police put a "marker" on his car. That meant he was added to a "hotlist".

This is a system meant for criminals but John Catt has not been convicted of anything and on a trip to London, the pensioner found himself pulled over by an anti-terror unit.

"I was threatened under the Terrorist Act. I had to answer every question they put to me, and if there were any questions I would refuse to answer, I would be arrested. I thought to myself, what kind of world are we living in?"

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"Raveninghorde" schreef in bericht news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Paranoids are unreasonably suspicious. My anxieties are perfectly rational and I'm not deluded enough to theink that the English are subject to the sort of scrutiny that the Stasi imposed on the population of what was then East Germany - the DDR.

Since the story was publicised in the Torygraph, one suspects that there's some selective reporting going on. During the brief period when I read the Telegraph (for the job ads) it was noticeable that their reports routinely omitted items of news that didn't reflect well on the Tory's - items that did make it into the Guardian reports and the BBC news.

He was Chancellor of the Exchequer and the obvious number two; it had been well known that he had wanted the top job for years, and was eventually going to get it. The electorate did know what they were getting when they voted him and Blair back into power at the last election, and Blair's claim that he was going serve a third term was widely seen as over-optimistic - he'd been fatally weaken by his enthusiams for Irak, and it was well known that he'd have to go sooner rather than later,

Nobel Prizes in economics have gone to a number of economists who have ingratiated themselves with the rich and powerful by espousing and supporting economic theories whose only virute is that they gnerate advice the rich tax evaders like to hear, Milton Friedman's Nobel is worth about as much as Henry Kissinger's Nobel Peace Prize. Paul Krugman doesn't flatter those in power so he may just have got it on merit.

Paul Krugman is scarcely a random authority, and neither he nor I are sole supporters of the proposition I'm putting forward.

You'd refer a rerun of the Great Depression with unemployment risng to 25% of the work force? Your grasp of practical economics leaves a lot to be desired.

And many commentators believe that the moon is made of green cheese.

Perfectly true. But one of the ministers in the last Tory cabinet ended up in prison for perjury. Peter Mandelson has at least managed to avoid breaking any laws. I doubt if the current crop of Tories are going to be clever enough to manage that. The Telegraph won't reveal their crimes, but the Guardian is not likely to be so sympathetic - they'd love to add another Jonathon Aitken to their collection of scalps.

Irritating and stupid, but not really comparable with the gulags, or Pinochet's activities in Chile.

If your pensioner had lost his pension for attending his anti-war demonstrations, you might have something to get excited about. Someone who has been pulled over by the idiots of the anti-terror squad won't be happy about it, but as "suffering" goes it doesn't even hit the first step of the relevant Richter scale.

You do seem to lack a sense of proportion.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

No newspaper has challanged the reports on MPs expenses.

You lack experience of modern England.

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Internet service providers are to keep records of emails and online phone calls under controversial new government regulations that come into force today.

ISPs will be legally obliged to store details of emails and internet telephony for 12 months as a potential tool to aid criminal investigations. Although the content of emails and calls will not be held, ISPs will be asked to record the date, time, duration and recipients of online communications.

Here's the Guardian for you. Lots of AGW nuts arrested to prevent a demo.

Police have carried out what is thought to be the biggest pre-emptive raid on environmental campaigners in UK history, arresting 114 people believed to be planning direct action at a coal-fired power station.

The arrests - for conspiracy to commit criminal damage and aggravated trespass - come amid growing concern among campaigners about increased police surveillance and groups being infiltrated by informers.

Or some of your anti Iraq friends

Anti-war protesters yesterday launched a high court action against Gloucestershire police, claiming that its officers breached human rights law by barring them from a demonstration at RAF Fairford.

Lawyers for 60 of the 120 passengers on three coaches who were intercepted on their way to the protest at the US airbase against the war on Iraq accused the police of being guilty of an abuse of power and unlawful action.

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So information on all email, internet phone calls, web site visits, phone calls and text messages are logged by our beloved Government.

Almost every car journey is logged by number plate recognition using not only police camaras but increasing the 4.2 million CCTV camaras.

These same CCTV camaras mean that every train journey I make and in the big cities every bus journey I make are recorded.

The police see fit to stop vehicles and prevent them going to their destination without a crime having been commited. The police arrest people at midnight to prevent a demonstration.

Police routinely arrest people under anti terror legislation, most are never charged, but it allows the seizure of computers etc.

Police arrest a shadow cabinet minister after raiding his office in the House of Commons, again no charges.

Gormless Brown lost an attempt to increase detention without charge from 28 days to 42 days. 28 day detention was also a recent Labour innovation.