OT Dr. Fauci makes incredibly false statement about J&J vaccine

Yeah, so what? Humans are different from chimpanzees, but there's lots of similarities, too. Like, 96% (?) of our DNA (whatever that means).

The 'very different' and 'very similar' phrases can both easily be consistent with reality. Neither misunderstanding nor prevarication is indicated here.

What are you doing? You are treating the Chimpanzee as if he were a Human. How much longer are we going to be guided by a poster who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it? Jeez!

A more relevant question is why an idiot like Flyguy thinks he knows more about medical science than an expert like Fauci.

The Johnson & Johnson quote does emphasise the differences between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but it doesn't make any well-founded suggestion that they might be important. It's strictly public relations waffle.

=?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= snipped-for-privacy@ckbirds.org wrote in news:s5drdc$op9$1 @gioia.aioe.org:

A totally retarded claim made by a total retard.

An absolutely retarded claim made by an absolute total retard.

It's not a claim. It's a factual summary of the knowledge thus far discovered by multiple investigations into the clotting:

"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."

This is also a statement of fact:

"The AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines rely on different adenoviruses, but the appearance of the HIT-like symptoms among recipients of both vaccines — and the apparent lack of a HIT-like response among recipients of a different type of vaccine, based on mRNA — has raised concerns that the problem could be common to vaccines that rely on adenoviruses."

"At present, researchers don’t know what component of these vaccines could be causing the unwanted immune response against platelet factor 4. “It could be caused by the vectors, it could be caused by the spike protein, it could be caused by a contaminant present in the vector,” says viral immunologist Hildegund Ertl at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania."

My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.

You can try reading this summary of the situation:

Fauci is a perfect advisor for Biden. They both have extensive experience with being wrong.

Are we up to three masks yet? Up from zero.

The "so what" is that Fauci doesn't know WTF he is talking about and, in his position, he has a DUTY to get the facts straight. After all, it isn't hard: a single phone call to J&J would have done it. Billions of people are RELYING on what this fool says.

Count on SL0WMAN to COMPLETELY dodge the issue and throw bombs! What a FOOL!!

Flyguy thinks that he does know enough about what Fauci is talking about to be in a position to assert that Fauci has got it wrong. Flyguy is an idiot who get pretty much everything wrong, and he's certainly wrong here

It wouldn't. J&J would have told him nothing useful - their public relations puff doesn't mean what Flyguy seems to think it means.

Correctly. Fauci isn't actually a fool - even if Flyguy is silly enough to assert this as if he thought it were a fact it were a fact - and anybody who paid any attention to Flyguy's moronic opinion really would be being remarkably foolish.

There's nothing natural about an adenovirus that has been tweaked to produce the Covid-19 spike protein, and prevented from reproducing itself. It couldn't be less natural.

And highly unnatural. Electronics is frequently complex too, but those complex processes are engineered not to go wrong.

Fred does go in for fatuous arguments, but that one is more moronic than most.

Same kind of mistake that brought Sloman into existence...

That did involve going from a single cell to a human body with 86 billion (0.86x10^11) brain cells, most of which still seem to work.

Fred does seem to have rather fewer of them that still work.

It's not any kind of "refutation".

Flyguy is foolish enough to imagine that he has raised an issue of substance - as opposed to acting the gullible twit once again - and seems to have missed the undeniable fact that he is the fool here. He's much too stupid to ever appreciate this.

WTF SL0WMAN - so do YOU! And I am not expressing MY opinion: this is from an EXTREMELY QUALIFIED scientist, you fool! Do you REALLY think that you know MORE than Macaya Douoguih?

Hey SL0WMAN, I don't THINK I have raised an "issue of substance" - I KNOW IT! Denying people a perfectly safe and effective vaccine will KILL people, you fool. How much more "substance" do you need, you idiot?

What Flyguy thinks he knows would fill a very small book, and pretty much every entry would be wrong.

Real vaccines aren't entirely safe and they aren't completely effective. Giving the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and the AstraZenenca vaccine to people under fifty probably will kill perhaps one in a million, and make one in several hundred thousand quite ill. Getting Covid-19 is quite a lot more dangerous.

You need to realise that you weren't raising any issue of substance. You were merely abusing Dr. Anthony Fauci for expressing an opinion that you didn't like, on a subject where you haven't got a clue. Trying to de-value genuinely expert opinion because you don't happen to like it is a rather lethal kind of foolishness - one that Donald Trump went in for quite a lot. You are even more obviously idiotic, and correspondingly even less likely to be taken seriously, but it's still a dangerous idiocy.

There's an infinitude of interfering influences that can make the best laid plans go awry. This is one reason the science makes the distinction between in vitro and in vivo experimentation, and even then they only end up with probability of predictable outcome. It's not worth the time to discuss such matters with someone with such obviously impaired brain function.

What are the stats on Sputnik V - it relies on human adenovirus rather than chimp?

She works for Janssen and is deflecting liability. She's obviously a shill and doesn't know what she's talking about.

They're using two adenoviruses, one for the primer and a second for the booster, apparently to preempt dampening the booster due to immune response to the virus developed from the primer.

I didn't want to go there because their so-called data is not to be trusted. They're not releasing any data to anyone for review. If there is a clotting problem, no one is going to know it. People living in the Russian Federation definitely don't trust it and don't want it either.

Their original report:

Don't be silly. Science is about observation, and the observations here do NOT yet support any of the conclusions being jumped to.

Fauci's expression of the situation isn't conclusive, nor are the replies, because they are speculations.

Calling these 'incredibly false' is, as the phrase suggests, not believable. It's an incredible claim.